Swastikas and Germany in the modern day...

Skybird · 03-29-14, 07:11 AM

The name "Hitler" is banned in Germany as well, you can name your child "Adolf", but it is done almost never, but a second name "Hitler" is banned.

The simply unimaginable monstrosity of the crimes back then explain sufficiently why the symbols used to represent those committing them, are no-go now. Holocaust and the the amount of human suffering due to WWII in Europe and Russia, is second to none, in its dimension and perfidy. You cannot use the standards by which you would judge other, ordinary wars and crimes, to describe them. This dark event stands out from the background of human history. Wanting to "un-ban" it now, holds not the smallest positive gain, none.

The evilness and nothing-but-barbary-kind of nature of Nazism and the third Reich, stands beyond any doubt and must not be given any space for doubt anymore. To ban reminding symbols for them, therefore is acceptable, and in no way can be demonised as "banning free mind and free speech". To unban them , holds not a single positive gain, none.

We have growing objections to forming free opinions and free speech and free minds, encoded in social standards and this thing called political correctness and what in German I usually call Gesinnungs- und Tugendterror. Swastika and "Hitler" being banned, is not part of that.

I think, Nazi parties and organisations should be banned, too, and persecuted without any forgiveness. As I said, their barbaric basic nature and ideology history already has proven beyond even the smallest of the smallest doubts. Root it out. the argument of giving something the benefit of the doubt as long as it has not indeed fully proven to be guilty, is invalid here.

That the swastika has been hijacked and originally was a symbol of luck and happiness, cannot chnage that it last was used for the purpose of enormous horror and terror, and that it has left a branding sign on history, therefore.

To hell with all Nazi scum there is. I refuse to care for their interests and to be bothered by putting them on the list of endangered species.

Alex · 03-29-14, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The name "Hitler" is banned in Germany as well, you can name your child "Adolf", but it is done almost never, but a second name "Hitler" is banned.

The simply unimaginable monstrosity of the crimes back then explain sufficiently why the symbols used to represent those committing them, are no-go now. Holocaust and the the amount of human suffering due to WWII in Europe and Russia, is second to none, in its dimension and perfidy. You cannot use the standards by which you would judge other, ordinary wars and crimes, to describe them. This dark event stands out from the background of human history. Wanting to "un-ban" it now, holds not the smallest positive gain, none.

The evilness and nothing-but-barbary-kind of nature of Nazism and the third Reich, stands beyond any doubt and must not be given any space for doubt anymore. To ban reminding symbols for them, therefore is acceptable, and in no way can be demonised as "banning free mind and free speech". To unban them , holds not a single positive gain, none.

We have growing objections to forming free opinions and free speech and free minds, encoded in social standards and this thing called political correctness and what in German I usually call Gesinnungs- und Tugendterror. Swastika and "Hitler" being banned, is not part of that.

I think, Nazi parties and organisations should be banned, too, and persecuted without any forgiveness. As I said, their barbaric basic nature and ideology history already has proven beyond even the smallest of the smallest doubts. Root it out. the argument of giving something the benefit of the doubt as long as it has not indeed fully proven to be guilty, is invalid here.

That the swastika has been hijacked and originally was a symbol of luck and happiness, cannot chnage that it last was used for the purpose of enormous horror and terror, and that it has left a branding sign on history, therefore.

To hell with all Nazi scum there is. I refuse to care for their interests and to be bothered by putting them on the list of endangered species.

You're into psychology, IIRC, Sky ?

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I'm confident you've been a good student, and let your mind sink peacefully in that sea of self-hate to the point it may hardly be recoverable nowadays, but I truly hope for the best of your country, for the best of the german youth. And so I'm hoping for a re-awakening of nationalism (in all countries), following an intense overhaul of that actual educational system your country is not responsible for, and out of which it will hardly take any advantage.

The bad thing is that the educational system is pretty much the same here - there's one and only evil on the one hand, one and only martyr on the other...
It's kind of strange when you're a little boy to get to know you live so close from Hell, haha.

03-29-14, 01:15 PM

Well the neo Nazi has spoken, I hope Alex put you all right on the beautiful nationalist ideology of the crooked cross.
I bet education is a global jewish conspiracy

Mittelwaechter · 03-29-14, 01:39 PM

Nazi insignias are not forbidden in general, but for promoting the ideology.
Again the link to the resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafg...ch_section_86a

We actually have a Nazi party in Germany and they are free to express their opinions.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...i_Deutschlands
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rty_of_Germany

Some even vote for them and they have a few 'politicians' in communal and even state parliaments.

There have been several attempts to ban the party - one is still to be voted for by our Federal Constitutional Court.

03-29-14, 03:28 PM

Oh dear, I didn't provide enough arguments for the statement, though the basis of the statement cannot be in doubt neither can the truth, though apparently truth is irrelevant.
So more clarity is needed.
Alex you are a neo Nazi aren't you.
The form of nationalism you advocate is based on hatred and conspiracy theories isn't it.
Your nationalist heroes you have written about in your nation were part of the Nazi puppet regime in Vichy weren't they.
When you talk of the education system you believe the education system is part of a global jewish conspiracy which of course runs everything don't you.
You have posted all this on the forum havn't you.
You are very open about your Nazi ideology aren't you.
Apart from on occasion when you talk about the Occidental conspiracy when you want to sort of disguise your nonsense about the Jewish conspiracy.

Now to tie it all into the OP.
Everyone knows about Nazis to some extent or another, their ideology is based purely on hate and discrimination.
Jews are the cause of all the worlds problems and their removal is the solution to all the worlds problems.
Ideologies such as those by their very nature constitute incitement.
Incitement doesn't get covered by freedom of speech.

Catfish · 03-29-14, 03:48 PM

Tribesman you may be right in a lot of things, but if you are really interested in propaganda, you can look for re-education and "de-nazification" (lol) in Germany, after the war.

The problem is that over-simplified propaganda always falls back on the perpetrators, sooner or later. And if the wrong people find that out ...
The truth would have been enough.

03-29-14, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Tribesman you may be right in a lot of things, but if you are really interested in propaganda, you can look for re-education and "de-nazification" (lol) in Germany, after the war.

The problem is that over-simplified propaganda always falls back on the perpetrators, sooner or later. And if the wrong people find that out ...
The truth would have been enough.

I agree. Unfortunately often the propaganda falls later rather than sooner.
when its extreme the later makes a much bigger impact.
You are right about de-nazification, it was a joke.
I must say though I disagree with Skybird form earlier. I don't agree with an outright ban, to me the best solution for the ideoliogy is to put it right out in plains sight, give it a big platform under a full spotlight and laugh at the idiots and their conspiracies and hatred, plus of course at the moment when they cross the line into illegal activity which they invariably will then apply the law of their nation to their illegal activities.

areo16 · 03-29-14, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Well the neo Nazi has spoken, I hope Alex put you all right on the beautiful nationalist ideology of the crooked cross.
I bet education is a global jewish conspiracy

I hope you're not referring to me when you say this. I take great offense to this. You shouldn't be throwing around such labels without just cause.

kranz · 03-29-14, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by areo16

I hope you're not referring to me when you say this. I take great offense to this. You shouldn't be throwing around such labels without just cause.

you must be new here

03-29-14, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by areo16

I hope you're not referring to me when you say this. I take great offense to this. You shouldn't be throwing around such labels without just cause.

Are you a neo Nazi?
Have you repeatedly written about your belief in the global jewish conspiracy on this forum?
Do you regularly link to the sort of stuff that would normally be at home on Stormfront or VNN?
If the answer to those 3 is no then how can it possibly have been referring to you?

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This is very interesting. I do not agree with banning any written material, irregardless of its contents. But I am an American.

William Powell is an American, he wants his book banned, something to do with its contents and how some people are using it.

areo16 · 03-29-14, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

If the answer to those 3 is no then how can it possibly have been referring to you?

Because the comment wasn't quoting or replying anything. And, these labels get thrown around far too often without due diligence. That is why.

03-29-14, 04:51 PM

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Because the comment wasn't quoting or replying anything

An individual made a comment about education, the individual was mentioned, education was mentioned, it was the preceeding post, how could you miss it?

Further to your Americans don't believe in banning books angle.
The list of the top 100 books some Americans want banned.
http://www.ala.org/bbooks/top-100-ba...ooks-2000-2009
William Powells book is on it again, plus a german tale of WW2 again.

areo16 · 03-29-14, 04:54 PM

btw I'm not antagonizing... I'm just having a laugh.

Catfish · 03-29-14, 01:30 PM

Sry for being off topic -

@Alex.

hmm i think i understand what you mean, but this is still crap especially today (today, that is!)

People hoarding and assisting each other as tribes or whatever in former times to reach a goal above individual laziness or against other bullies was all fine and nice, however there is a point in science and let's say enlightenment where such notions should reach a higher level, and be the base for the whole world population to feel and act as as one against a hostile universe, and work together.
Putin may not be the badest leader Russia had, but his thoughts and mind are very yesterday. There are other less backwards examples of course, which as well do not fit into modern times, any more.

Nations are the problem. As long as there is the idea of some people/nation/etnic blahblahblah being better/more valuable/more-deserving, and (ab)using this feeling to diminish others, there will be war.
As Reagan rightly said, people do not wage wars. Governments [=nations] do.

We are living on borrowed time, not only icbm-wise. Any smaller to middle asteroid can ruin the earth's ecosphere in a minute, and mankind will not survive unless we have spread, and be able to live elsewhere.
Despite our gas giants swallowing most of those snowballs, there will be 'the one', one day. We have not much time - think of it.
There is no point in one Serbia, a big Germany or a super power USA. As is no sense in a dominating China, or Russia.

I am all for internationalism, international science, and to hell with national administrations and kachos, if they hinder science and improving knowledge.

03-29-14, 07:11 AM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,633 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	The name "Hitler" is banned in Germany as well, you can name your child "Adolf", but it is done almost never, but a second name "Hitler" is banned. The simply unimaginable monstrosity of the crimes back then explain sufficiently why the symbols used to represent those committing them, are no-go now. Holocaust and the the amount of human suffering due to WWII in Europe and Russia, is second to none, in its dimension and perfidy. You cannot use the standards by which you would judge other, ordinary wars and crimes, to describe them. This dark event stands out from the background of human history. Wanting to "un-ban" it now, holds not the smallest positive gain, none. The evilness and nothing-but-barbary-kind of nature of Nazism and the third Reich, stands beyond any doubt and must not be given any space for doubt anymore. To ban reminding symbols for them, therefore is acceptable, and in no way can be demonised as "banning free mind and free speech". To unban them , holds not a single positive gain, none. We have growing objections to forming free opinions and free speech and free minds, encoded in social standards and this thing called political correctness and what in German I usually call Gesinnungs- und Tugendterror. Swastika and "Hitler" being banned, is not part of that. I think, Nazi parties and organisations should be banned, too, and persecuted without any forgiveness. As I said, their barbaric basic nature and ideology history already has proven beyond even the smallest of the smallest doubts. Root it out. the argument of giving something the benefit of the doubt as long as it has not indeed fully proven to be guilty, is invalid here. That the swastika has been hijacked and originally was a symbol of luck and happiness, cannot chnage that it last was used for the purpose of enormous horror and terror, and that it has left a branding sign on history, therefore. To hell with all Nazi scum there is. I refuse to care for their interests and to be bothered by putting them on the list of endangered species. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-29-14 at 07:23 AM.

03-29-14, 01:39 PM	#4
Mittelwaechter The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,304 Downloads: 35 Uploads: 0	Nazi insignias are not forbidden in general, but for promoting the ideology. Again the link to the resource: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strafg...ch_section_86a We actually have a Nazi party in Germany and they are free to express their opinions. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...i_Deutschlands https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation...rty_of_Germany Some even vote for them and they have a few 'politicians' in communal and even state parliaments. There have been several attempts to ban the party - one is still to be voted for by our Federal Constitutional Court. __________________ 10 happy wolves rear 90 blinded, ensnared sheep. 90 happy sheep banish the wolves. Arrest the 1% - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ6hg1oNeGE

03-29-14, 01:15 PM	#3
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well the neo Nazi has spoken, I hope Alex put you all right on the beautiful nationalist ideology of the crooked cross. I bet education is a global jewish conspiracy

03-29-14, 03:28 PM	#5
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Oh dear, I didn't provide enough arguments for the statement, though the basis of the statement cannot be in doubt neither can the truth, though apparently truth is irrelevant. So more clarity is needed. Alex you are a neo Nazi aren't you. The form of nationalism you advocate is based on hatred and conspiracy theories isn't it. Your nationalist heroes you have written about in your nation were part of the Nazi puppet regime in Vichy weren't they. When you talk of the education system you believe the education system is part of a global jewish conspiracy which of course runs everything don't you. You have posted all this on the forum havn't you. You are very open about your Nazi ideology aren't you. Apart from on occasion when you talk about the Occidental conspiracy when you want to sort of disguise your nonsense about the Jewish conspiracy. Now to tie it all into the OP. Everyone knows about Nazis to some extent or another, their ideology is based purely on hate and discrimination. Jews are the cause of all the worlds problems and their removal is the solution to all the worlds problems. Ideologies such as those by their very nature constitute incitement. Incitement doesn't get covered by freedom of speech.

03-29-14, 03:48 PM	#6
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,767 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Tribesman you may be right in a lot of things, but if you are really interested in propaganda, you can look for re-education and "de-nazification" (lol) in Germany, after the war. The problem is that over-simplified propaganda always falls back on the perpetrators, sooner or later. And if the wrong people find that out ... The truth would have been enough.

03-29-14, 04:54 PM	#13
areo16 Sonar Guy Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 382 Downloads: 64 Uploads: 0	btw I'm not antagonizing... I'm just having a laugh.

03-29-14, 01:30 PM	#14
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 17,767 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Sry for being off topic - @Alex. hmm i think i understand what you mean, but this is still crap especially today (today, that is!) People hoarding and assisting each other as tribes or whatever in former times to reach a goal above individual laziness or against other bullies was all fine and nice, however there is a point in science and let's say enlightenment where such notions should reach a higher level, and be the base for the whole world population to feel and act as as one against a hostile universe, and work together. Putin may not be the badest leader Russia had, but his thoughts and mind are very yesterday. There are other less backwards examples of course, which as well do not fit into modern times, any more. Nations are the problem. As long as there is the idea of some people/nation/etnic blahblahblah being better/more valuable/more-deserving, and (ab)using this feeling to diminish others, there will be war. As Reagan rightly said, people do not wage wars. Governments [=nations] do. We are living on borrowed time, not only icbm-wise. Any smaller to middle asteroid can ruin the earth's ecosphere in a minute, and mankind will not survive unless we have spread, and be able to live elsewhere. Despite our gas giants swallowing most of those snowballs, there will be 'the one', one day. We have not much time - think of it. There is no point in one Serbia, a big Germany or a super power USA. As is no sense in a dominating China, or Russia. I am all for internationalism, international science, and to hell with national administrations and kachos, if they hinder science and improving knowledge.