Keep safe everybody

CaptainMattJ. · 03-05-14, 09:08 PM

Russia hasnt done anything yet. Right now its just a bunch of chest puffing.

Admiral Halsey · 03-05-14, 09:12 PM

All I can say is this. If nukes do start flying don't run around in panic. Instead try and spend as much time as possible with those you love and care for.

Oberon · 03-05-14, 09:22 PM

There's not actually been any shooting, well, except up in the air as a warning, and most of that was from 'pro-Russian milita'. There's not that much in the way of Russian equipment in the Crimea, especially not compared to what they could send. It's mainly still what was originally there, perhaps some more APCs and infantry than before, but otherwise still the same.
The US has sent a warship through the Bosporus, so I don't know what they're up to, hopefully they will just sit back and watch rather than try to do something daft like trying to run the Russian blockade.

In regards to a war between Russia and NATO, not likely, not over the Ukraine, the Baltic states maybe, but not Ukraine. So no need to worry about a thermonuclear exchange just yet.

fireftr18 · 03-05-14, 10:15 PM

Those in charge know too well what the real outcome will be with a full nuclear exchange. They don't want a war between US and Russia. Something will be done to resolve the issue. The same thing a few months ago when North Korea was saber rattling toward South Korea.

Eisenwurst · 03-05-14, 10:52 PM

I'm with you Cybermat. I don't think it will come to ww3, but I am damned scared. My dad was Ukrainian and he lived through a revolution, a famine, and 2 invasions.

The Ukraine is a sovereign state with borders and should be left alone to sort things out. They've only been independent for about 20 years and are prey to all sorts of outside influences, some good some bad. I feel for them.

Mr Putin as a former intelligence officer undoubtedly speaks perfect English, and who knows may even visit this forum. If he does I'd like him to reflect deeply on the story of Croesus and the Delphic Oracle.

You're a good bloke Cybermat and good luck for the future.

gordonmull · 03-05-14, 10:56 PM

Nice to see a 14 year old actually taking part in the world. Good on you man. Honestly, I really don't mean that in a patronising way. Too many people your age don't give a stuff.

The thing about wars is that annihilating a people doesn't achieve much. Wars are usually fought over resources. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that usually, despite the rhetoric used by politicians to whip the masses up into a suitable level hatred of the people that the politicians are asking them to fight, wars are predominantly about securing profitable territory, or defending it against aggressors. If you've nuked that territory, you can't occupy it. Russia sees an opportunity to win Ukraine back. Why would it nuke the former granary of the USSR? In that situation neither would win.

krashkart · 03-05-14, 11:01 PM

Don't let your fears take control of you, Cybermat. The world's been through much worse.

Red October1984 · 03-06-14, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

Russia hasnt done anything yet. Right now its just a bunch of chest puffing.

I read today that they successfully test fired an ICBM...

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Originally Posted by krashkart

Don't let your fears take control of you, Cybermat. The world's been through much worse.

This is true. Fear is a liar.

At the same time, it's a good idea to stay informed and prepared in case something DOES happen. I really don't see a WW3 starting...but how many times in fiction has this exact scenario or something very very similar happened?

Yeah that's fiction...but wars have started over things like this.

I don't have much of an opinion yet of what's going on. I'm waiting to see how this plays out over the next month.

krashkart · 03-06-14, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

I don't have much of an opinion yet of what's going on. I'm waiting to see how this plays out over the next month.

I'm not precisely on my seat's edge waiting to see what happens, either.

03-06-14, 06:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

I read today that they successfully test fired an ICBM...

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Originally Posted by Red October1984

This is true. Fear is a liar.

You never cease to amaze me...

Anyways, it was most likely not the first time they tested some missile.

@Cybermat
Keep your cool, nothing is going to happen. Neither side could nor would afford a hot conflict, it's all just political arm wrestling to buy time and see how things develop. For what would either side risk the end of the world... the Crimean? Not going to happen...

On the other hand, it is sad to see that cold war never ended. Is anyone naive enough to believe that? We still all play the arms race, threaten each other and "prepare".

I hate mankind. Really.

Admiral Halsey · 03-06-14, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

All I can say is this. If nukes do start flying don't run around in panic. Instead try and spend as much time as possible with those you love and care for.

Just wanting to reiterate my stance on the whole thing.

03-05-14, 09:08 PM	#1
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Russia hasnt done anything yet. Right now its just a bunch of chest puffing. __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

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fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Those in charge know too well what the real outcome will be with a full nuclear exchange. They don't want a war between US and Russia. Something will be done to resolve the issue. The same thing a few months ago when North Korea was saber rattling toward South Korea. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

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Admiral Halsey Best Admiral in the USN Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USS Enterprise (CV-6) Posts: 1,740 Downloads: 317 Uploads: 0	All I can say is this. If nukes do start flying don't run around in panic. Instead try and spend as much time as possible with those you love and care for.

03-05-14, 09:22 PM	#3
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	There's not actually been any shooting, well, except up in the air as a warning, and most of that was from 'pro-Russian milita'. There's not that much in the way of Russian equipment in the Crimea, especially not compared to what they could send. It's mainly still what was originally there, perhaps some more APCs and infantry than before, but otherwise still the same. The US has sent a warship through the Bosporus, so I don't know what they're up to, hopefully they will just sit back and watch rather than try to do something daft like trying to run the Russian blockade. In regards to a war between Russia and NATO, not likely, not over the Ukraine, the Baltic states maybe, but not Ukraine. So no need to worry about a thermonuclear exchange just yet.

03-05-14, 10:52 PM	#5
Eisenwurst Silent Hunter Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 3,756 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	I'm with you Cybermat. I don't think it will come to ww3, but I am damned scared. My dad was Ukrainian and he lived through a revolution, a famine, and 2 invasions. The Ukraine is a sovereign state with borders and should be left alone to sort things out. They've only been independent for about 20 years and are prey to all sorts of outside influences, some good some bad. I feel for them. Mr Putin as a former intelligence officer undoubtedly speaks perfect English, and who knows may even visit this forum. If he does I'd like him to reflect deeply on the story of Croesus and the Delphic Oracle. You're a good bloke Cybermat and good luck for the future.

03-05-14, 10:56 PM	#6
gordonmull Lieutenant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 269 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Nice to see a 14 year old actually taking part in the world. Good on you man. Honestly, I really don't mean that in a patronising way. Too many people your age don't give a stuff. The thing about wars is that annihilating a people doesn't achieve much. Wars are usually fought over resources. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that usually, despite the rhetoric used by politicians to whip the masses up into a suitable level hatred of the people that the politicians are asking them to fight, wars are predominantly about securing profitable territory, or defending it against aggressors. If you've nuked that territory, you can't occupy it. Russia sees an opportunity to win Ukraine back. Why would it nuke the former granary of the USSR? In that situation neither would win.

03-05-14, 11:01 PM	#7
krashkart Navy Seal Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 5,292 Downloads: 100 Uploads: 0	Don't let your fears take control of you, Cybermat. The world's been through much worse.