Huge pro-EU rally grips Ukraine

[Skybird]

Honestly said, I now despise hard work in general. After trying it for some years, I found it to be quite exhausting.

[Oberon]

Meanwhile in America:

Oberon why won't you laugh at Churchil's decision not to fight Soviets when Poland was invaded on 1939 september the 17 th ?

[Betonov]

I love his plan.

Really, I have no intentions of having my coffee break interupted, let alone dying due to a war between 2 countries I don't care about over a country I don't care about.

[Oberon]

And since this a naval forum, here's some pics of Russian ships coming to Sevastopol:


The minesweeper 'Turbinist'


Vishnya class intel ship, the 'Priazoye'

Apparently six vessels have arrived in two hours.

https://twitter.com/ForeignCorresp - tweets here.

Originally Posted by Betonov

I love his plan.

Really, I have no intentions of having my coffee break interupted, let alone dying due to a war between 2 countries I don't care about over a country I don't care about.

I assume you do not care about anything that is outside your backyard fence.. However this is the main reason why your nation lives in a such ****hole afterall.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

Oberon why won't you laugh at Churchil's decision not to fight Soviets when Poland was invaded on 1939 september the 17 th ?

I don't see how that's relevant to this thread.

[Admiral Halsey]

Honestly if you think about it this is Russia just trying to regain lost territory. After all it wasn't until the fall of the Soviet Union that Ukraine was ever a free country. It'd be like the US trying to recapture California after some event caused her to become her own country for about 20 years.

Originally Posted by Oberon

I don't see how that's relevant to this thread.

It's all about how you see things, and most important question of all times: will the leading nations of the world will do anything to stop madness or would they watch passively how bigger nation destroys the smaller ones eating popcorns while watching TV.

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

It's all about how you see things, and most important question of all times: will the leading nations of the world will do anything to stop madness or would they watch passively how bigger nation destroys the smaller ones eating popcorns while watching TV.

There was a reason they didn't attack the Soviets back then and that reasons name is Hitler. This quote from Churchill sums up his feelings towards Hitler and the Soviets quite well

If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

I assume you do not care about anything that is outside your backyard fence.. However this is the main reason why your nation lives in a such ****hole afterall.

You're adorable.
Shame Tribes is in the brig. I really miss his finesse of dealing with people that believe war is something to look forward too.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

Oberon why won't you laugh at Churchil's decision not to fight Soviets when Poland was invaded on 1939 september the 17 th ?

With original outside-the-box thinking like that you are a promising candidate to finally bring peace to the middle east, sailor_X.

A recent opinion piece in a German newspaper points out that what Putin now does, has a precedence in the American invasion of Panama 1989, which America claimed to be on behalf of protecting US citizens there. The strategic importance of the channel had nothing to do with it. Formal goal of the operation was to guarantee the freedom of US troops in Panama from criminal prosecution, and the freedom to move at will. To enforce according treaties, Noriega had to be caught and kicked out of office.

Or 1983, when the US claimed to act on behalf of securing its national civilians when it invaded Grenada.

And in 1989 or 1990, US foreign minister Baker indirectly encouraged the Soviet Union to send military forces to Romania, to help pacifying the turmoil there was, and to stabilize the situation.

So, great powers are not shy to fall back to the argument of protecting their nationals or their vital interests in order to justify intervention in foreign sovereign countries. Putin is not the first doing it, he is just the latest in the line.

And something different:



This is from another article in a German newspaper. It shows in what regions how many people speak Russian as their native language. It is interesting to see that the split that seems to materialise in the Ukraine today more or less runs along the predicted frontline between two civilizational spheres as have been predicted by Samuel Huntington for the civilizational clashes of the forseeable future. The constellation in the Ukraine that is so unstable is due to a long history of wanted distortions that Stalin imposed, and conflicts even earlier than that. Traditionally, the West has always felt more towards Europe, and the East more towards Russia. And as I often have said before: Russia is neither Europe, nor Asia: Russia is Russia, a sphere of its own. Once again, Huntington was right. His message was not welcomed, and still is not wanted by many. But that ,means nothing more than that many people do not want to prepare for the consequence of bad news they hear.

That's why the West is weak and indifferent today. Wishful thinking about nice times to come all by themselves, prevented realism. And so, there we are. (And if it wouldn'T be Putin, than it would be some other Russian leader today. The doctrine that Russia has formulated, to intervene in foreign countries to protect its citizens, is not for no reason not called Putin-doctrine, but Medwedeew-doctrine .)

[Oberon]

I don't know if I'd go as far as saying that, to be honest, you've got the Kievan Rus, Lithuania, the 1917-21 war of Independence, and eventually the Budapest Memorandum in which Russia acknowledged Ukrainian independence.
So if it's anything it's more like Mexico suddenly deciding that Texas is a part of Mexico again, or the UK deciding to retake the USA.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

It's all about how you see things, and most important question of all times: will the leading nations of the world will do anything to stop madness or would they watch passively how bigger nation destroys the smaller ones eating popcorns while watching TV.

And what exactly would you have the leading nations of the world do? Hmmm?

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by sailor_X

I assume you do not care about anything that is outside your backyard fence.. However this is the main reason why your nation lives in a such ****hole afterall.

I bet that many here understand your emotions spiking high currently, if you indeed are Ukrainian. However, this forum has rules that are valid for you as well. Calling names and doing personal attacks like this will bring you into conflict with a moderator sooner than you maybe think possible.

Most uf us understand the emotional energy this all may mean for people in your country. But do not use forum members as lightning rods.