How many here carries a concealed weapon? - Page 3

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-20-14, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

Have you ever considered a gas pistol if that is legal in Finland? They are non lethal, look sometimes like the real thing and a dose of tear gas and/or pepper should render an attacker unable to strike at you effectively.

In theory I could, in practice no. I would have to prove the need for it and its kinda difficult unless you are vartija (lit. guard, stricly just that) or järjestyksenvalvoja (essentially private security officer, slightly wider authority than vartija has). Sooo... get yourself beated up and come back again...

Schroeder · 02-20-14, 06:44 PM

I thought we had strict laws for them...

Over here you need a concealed carry permit for them.

TFatseas · 02-20-14, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Well, since were naming carry pieces, I currently carry a Smith and Wesson M&P Shield in 9mm with the factor sights replaced with . Before I was able to actually find a shield in one of my local gun shops, I was carrying my Beretta M9A1 as my concealed carry. Yes it is possible without too much printing with the right IWB holster, but heavy after awhile. It has since been relegated to it's more proper place as the home defense piece.

I do agree that after carrying for awhile, it really isn't a big deal. Though I do think the responsibility that comes with carrying is kinda big. If that makes any sense without coming across as contradictory.

(probably does.

)

Obviously, I'm speaking more to the idea that some make a big deal out of carrying a weapon. I don't.

I wish more would exercise that right, as long as it is done safely and smartly.

kraznyi_oktjabr · 02-20-14, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Schroeder

I thought we had strict laws for them...

Over here you need a concealed carry permit for them.

We don't have concealed carry permits in sense you and Americans have. Here you can carry your firearm freely as long as it:
a) is within its case
b) is unloaded

c) you have good reason for transporting (such as going to hunt or to firing range)
Self-defence doesn't count for c) as we are apparently expected to trust that police can protect us even when response time is sometimes counted in hours not minutes.

This is partly an kneejerk reaction to school shootings (Jokela & Kauhajoki) so now situation is essentially going towards point where two groups have firearms or weapons of any kind:
a) those who have special permit such police and certain security officers (such as money van guards, not regular vartija or järjestyksenvalvoja)
b) those who don't bother their minds with "silly government regulations" such as organized crime groups

Schroeder · 02-20-14, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

We don't have concealed carry permits in sense you and Americans have.

Well, our concealed carrying permit only includes gas pistols, not live firearms. You can't carry a gun with you unless you are with law enforcement, military or have a hunter's license (requires plenty of training and some tests and only allows unloaded open carrying).

TheDarkWraith · 02-20-14, 08:03 PM

Depends on where I'm heading to as to which weapon I carry:
- S&W M&P 45 for dangerous areas
- H&K P30L for just about everything else
- S&W M&P 22 for special trips

Ducimus · 02-20-14, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TFatseas

Obviously, I'm speaking more to the idea that some make a big deal out of carrying a weapon. I don't.

I wish more would exercise that right, as long as it is done safely and smartly.

I agree. Though I do think that if one chooses to carry, they have an obligation to themselves and their fellow citizens to not only carry safely and smartly, but also an obligation to have the ability to hit what their aiming at as well. To reiterate, i think carrying is not a big deal, but making the decision to carry is because i think it both a responsibility and a commitment. But that's just me, and my anal nature about certain things. If i don't get good shot groupings at the range, i''m really hard on myself.

TheDarkWraith · 02-20-14, 08:07 PM

When I have to draw my sidearm my hope is that this will act as the deterrent and stop whatever is happening. Try to avoid pulling that trigger unless you absolutely have to

swamprat69er · 02-20-14, 08:48 PM

It's only cops and other crooks are allowed to carry sidearms in Canada.

That being said, I imagine that IF i tried hard enough I could probably get the necessary permits to own one, but in order to transport it to the range I would need a permit for that, too. Not worth the hassle in my eyes.

Tchocky · 02-20-14, 08:53 PM

Well it seems every joke I came here to make has been taken care of.

Good job everyone

RickC Sniper · 02-20-14, 09:02 PM

I cannot handle a handgun (disability) but if I could, I would be carrying one.

My son has been carrying concealed for over 10 years.

Aktungbby · 02-20-14, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Good job everyone

fireftr18 · 02-20-14, 09:52 PM

Nice post. Made a good discussion. I'm choosing to not say either way if my wife, my son, or I carry or not. As Ducimus wrote, the idea is that it's concealed, so no one knows if you carry or not.

Stealhead · 02-20-14, 09:55 PM

In my humble opinion everyone carries a weapon 24/7.It is right on top of your head between your ears.

Sometimes I do carry a Kimber Super Carry Ultra.

Stuff happens that is true but I am a firm believer that just having good situational awareness is a useful "tool" that can keep you out of trouble or make you
less likely to be the victim of a crime.Now I am not talking about spending every second sitting in fear.I mean simply paying attention to your surroundings when you are doing this
the the kind of people that are looking for an easy target are looking and 99% of the time they will avoid you.

Father Goose · 02-20-14, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

In my humble opinion everyone carries a weapon 24/7.It is right on top of your head between your ears.

Sometimes I do carry a Kimber Super Carry Ultra.

Stuff happens that is true but I am a firm believer that just having good situational awareness is a useful "tool" that can keep you out of trouble or make you
less likely to be the victim of a crime.Now I am not talking about spending every second sitting in fear.I mean simply paying attention to your surroundings when you are doing this
the the kind of people that are looking for an easy target are looking and 99% of the time they will avoid you.

I agree. +1
I carry a Sig Sauer P229 SAS 357.
I also have a Benelli M4 Tactical shotgun in my hut to "persuade" the savages on the island to go away.

View Poll Results: Do you carry a concealed weapon?
Yes. These days, you never know what could happen and when.	9	31.03%
Yes. With so much time, money, energy and effort invested into having the option to, I might as well.	1	3.45%
Yes. However I do not carry a gun. ( Knife, stun gun, pepper spray, etc.)	5	17.24%
No. I think it too great a responsibility, so I choose not to for that reason.	1	3.45%
No. I would if i could, but I can't. Laws in my area are not permissive.	7	24.14%
No. I do not have a favorable opinion on CCW.	6	20.69%
Voters: 29. You may not vote on this poll

02-20-14, 06:44 PM	#32
Schroeder Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Banana Republic of Germany Posts: 6,170 Downloads: 62 Uploads: 0	I thought we had strict laws for them... Over here you need a concealed carry permit for them. __________________ Putting Germ back into Germany.

02-20-14, 08:48 PM	#39
swamprat69er Aceydeucy Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Ontario,Canada Posts: 1,889 Downloads: 11 Uploads: 0	It's only cops and other crooks are allowed to carry sidearms in Canada. That being said, I imagine that IF i tried hard enough I could probably get the necessary permits to own one, but in order to transport it to the range I would need a permit for that, too. Not worth the hassle in my eyes. __________________ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That which does not kill us, makes us stronger. We the willing, led by the unsure, have done so much with so little, for so long, that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

02-20-14, 08:53 PM	#40
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Well it seems every joke I came here to make has been taken care of. Good job everyone __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

02-20-14, 09:52 PM	#43
fireftr18 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,528 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 0	Nice post. Made a good discussion. I'm choosing to not say either way if my wife, my son, or I carry or not. As Ducimus wrote, the idea is that it's concealed, so no one knows if you carry or not. __________________ Of all the forms of Martial Arts, Karaoke causes the most pain!

02-20-14, 08:03 PM	#36
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	Depends on where I'm heading to as to which weapon I carry: - S&W M&P 45 for dangerous areas - H&K P30L for just about everything else - S&W M&P 22 for special trips

02-20-14, 08:07 PM	#38
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	When I have to draw my sidearm my hope is that this will act as the deterrent and stop whatever is happening. Try to avoid pulling that trigger unless you absolutely have to

02-20-14, 09:02 PM	#41
RickC Sniper Undetectable Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: Colorado Posts: 1,221 Downloads: 132 Uploads: 0	I cannot handle a handgun (disability) but if I could, I would be carrying one. My son has been carrying concealed for over 10 years.

02-20-14, 09:55 PM	#44
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	In my humble opinion everyone carries a weapon 24/7.It is right on top of your head between your ears. Sometimes I do carry a Kimber Super Carry Ultra. Stuff happens that is true but I am a firm believer that just having good situational awareness is a useful "tool" that can keep you out of trouble or make you less likely to be the victim of a crime.Now I am not talking about spending every second sitting in fear.I mean simply paying attention to your surroundings when you are doing this the the kind of people that are looking for an easy target are looking and 99% of the time they will avoid you. Last edited by Stealhead; 02-20-14 at 10:05 PM.