Tactical question

aya · 02-18-14, 08:46 PM

Hmmm.... from how you described the sequence, seems that it's a very risky manoever. If it were me, I rather be on silent speed or "silent stop", carefully align the torpedoes and fire when conditions are right. If that's impossible, I rather dive deeper and let him pass, if he hasn't seen me - it will be a bad day if he puts me on the defensive, just like this -->

Movies wise, Das Boot is more or less accurate from how they approach and fire torpedoes. The captain there lost sight of the approacing destroyer, which happens to me in rough waters/bad weather. I also remember the moment they attacked the convoy, doing the calculations and all, whilst they forgot that a destroyer is approaching them... ALARM!!!

BigWalleye · 02-19-14, 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by aya

Hmmm.... from how you described the sequence, seems that it's a very risky manoever. If it were me, I rather be on silent speed or "silent stop", carefully align the torpedoes and fire when conditions are right. If that's impossible, I rather dive deeper and let him pass, if he hasn't seen me - it will be a bad day if he puts me on the defensive, just like this -->

Movies wise, Das Boot is more or less accurate from how they approach and fire torpedoes. The captain there lost sight of the approacing destroyer, which happens to me in rough waters/bad weather. I also remember the moment they attacked the convoy, doing the calculations and all, whilst they forgot that a destroyer is approaching them... ALARM!!!

Based on their record of achievement and on personal accounts, the KM was far more professional and competent than the portrayal in Das Boot. And the movie was less accurate than the book.

GreyBeard · 02-19-14, 07:56 AM

All movies take liberties with truth and accuracy, including the aforementioned two. It's called suspension of disbelief. The bigger the tale they tell and make it appear believable/real at the same time the more profit they rake in.

BigWalleye · 02-19-14, 09:02 AM

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All movies take liberties with truth and accuracy, including the aforementioned two. It's called suspension of disbelief. The bigger the tale they tell and make it appear believable/real at the same time the more profit they rake in.

Which is why any movie except a documentary should not be assumed to be a valid reference source for historical research.

And yet, for example, the periscope graticle used by most SH3 GUIs is borrowed from Das Boot, not from a surviving example of a WW2 vintage U-boat periscope. I suspect that's because it's what gamers expect to see.

GreyBeard · 02-19-14, 09:53 AM

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Which is why any movie except a documentary should not be assumed to be a valid reference source for historical research.

Even documentaries can be tainted. Not telling the whole truth is not the same as lying, but it has a similar effect. Some are biased due to things like politics, for example, and have a tendency to express a particular viewpoint.

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And yet, for example, the periscope graticle used by most SH3 GUIs is borrowed from Das Boot, not from a surviving example of a WW2 vintage U-boat periscope. I suspect that's because it's what gamers expect to see.

It probably looks better.

BigWalleye · 02-19-14, 10:27 AM

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Even documentaries can be tainted. Not telling the whole truth is not the same as lying, but it has a similar effect. Some are biased due to things like politics, for example, and have a tendency to express a particular viewpoint.

Of course. You make my point.

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It probably looks better.

On the face of it, that doesn't seem to square well with your sig.

GreyBeard · 02-19-14, 12:35 PM

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.....On the face of it, that doesn't seem to square well with your sig.

My sig? A quote from a blockbuster! Couldn't be more appropriate for this thread!

Aktungbby · 02-19-14, 01:17 PM

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02-18-14, 08:46 PM	#1
aya Swabbie Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Philippines Posts: 11 Downloads: 48 Uploads: 0	Hmmm.... from how you described the sequence, seems that it's a very risky manoever. If it were me, I rather be on silent speed or "silent stop", carefully align the torpedoes and fire when conditions are right. If that's impossible, I rather dive deeper and let him pass, if he hasn't seen me - it will be a bad day if he puts me on the defensive, just like this --> Movies wise, Das Boot is more or less accurate from how they approach and fire torpedoes. The captain there lost sight of the approacing destroyer, which happens to me in rough waters/bad weather. I also remember the moment they attacked the convoy, doing the calculations and all, whilst they forgot that a destroyer is approaching them... ALARM!!!

02-19-14, 07:56 AM	#3
GreyBeard Engineer Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LI, NY Posts: 209 Downloads: 257 Uploads: 2	All movies take liberties with truth and accuracy, including the aforementioned two. It's called suspension of disbelief. The bigger the tale they tell and make it appear believable/real at the same time the more profit they rake in.