History must never repeat itself

NeonSamurai · 01-27-14, 09:22 AM

I always love the media and the holocaust, particularly when it comes to Auschwitz-Birkenau. First of all "millions" didn't die at Auchwitz-Birkenau. Modern estimates put the total deaths at 1.2 million, with about 960,000 of the deaths being Jewish. The gas chambers were probably responsible for 60-80% of the killings, with the rest due to being worked to death, disease, experiments, and other forms of torture and execution. Auschwitz was partially a death camp, and mostly a slave labor camp.

The real killing machines were the Aktion Reinhard camps. Which were tiny little camps with the sole purpose of eradication (which is why they were so tiny). Treblinka by some estimates is believed to have killed more people then all of Auschwitz. A number of researchers and recent archeological investigations suggest we are actually seriously underestimating the numbers at over 2 million right now.

The rest of the six million can be attributed to the Einsatzgruppen, the slave labor camps like Mittelbau-Dora, concentration camps, etc.

As for the frequent forgetting of the other groups, well a lot of people in Europe still hate the Roma and consider them subhuman, same for homosexuals (and the numbers were not very high for that group). People like to forget the disabled as well (one of the first victims for mass execution). All the others killed were either insignificant by proportion, or POWs which is another subject. Out of the others, the Roma have as much claim as the Jews having suffered proportionately similar losses.

I'm not going to touch the Palestinian topic, as it is frequently used as a red herring in holocaust discussions, and it bluntly does not meet the criteria for genocide.

01-27-14, 09:22 AM	#4
NeonSamurai Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Socialist Republic of Kanadia Posts: 3,044 Downloads: 25 Uploads: 0	I always love the media and the holocaust, particularly when it comes to Auschwitz-Birkenau. First of all "millions" didn't die at Auchwitz-Birkenau. Modern estimates put the total deaths at 1.2 million, with about 960,000 of the deaths being Jewish. The gas chambers were probably responsible for 60-80% of the killings, with the rest due to being worked to death, disease, experiments, and other forms of torture and execution. Auschwitz was partially a death camp, and mostly a slave labor camp. The real killing machines were the Aktion Reinhard camps. Which were tiny little camps with the sole purpose of eradication (which is why they were so tiny). Treblinka by some estimates is believed to have killed more people then all of Auschwitz. A number of researchers and recent archeological investigations suggest we are actually seriously underestimating the numbers at over 2 million right now. The rest of the six million can be attributed to the Einsatzgruppen, the slave labor camps like Mittelbau-Dora, concentration camps, etc. As for the frequent forgetting of the other groups, well a lot of people in Europe still hate the Roma and consider them subhuman, same for homosexuals (and the numbers were not very high for that group). People like to forget the disabled as well (one of the first victims for mass execution). All the others killed were either insignificant by proportion, or POWs which is another subject. Out of the others, the Roma have as much claim as the Jews having suffered proportionately similar losses. I'm not going to touch the Palestinian topic, as it is frequently used as a red herring in holocaust discussions, and it bluntly does not meet the criteria for genocide. __________________ SH3 Newbie Guide Links and other helpfull stuff