Camera out of sectors Clayp's Optics for SH4 1.4

CapnScurvy · 01-24-14, 08:32 AM

Sniper, I loaded the ClayP's Optics onto my 1.4 version of the game, but couldn't get it do what problem you've described. I do admit there is no "Free Camera" with it.

I'm in your corner though in not seeing the need to move to version 1.5. I didn't like the idea of paying for something (the 5th patch for SH4) just to have the German's mess around in the Pacific!! Even if there are good things that come from it.....we shouldn't ever have to pay for a patch! The game was flawed, and still is, in many respects. We should never need to pay for a fix.

I'm wondering something. If you go to the conning tower in a Gato or Balao class.....do you have gauges and dials? From the radar A-Scope screen (I know, the game calls the two screens opposite what they should be), the radar station on the left..... does the bearing dial above the screen not show? It looks blacked out on my 1.4 version. So does the helm's dials, to the front of the conning tower.

Sniper297 · 01-24-14, 11:31 AM

Nope, not seeing that. Also if I hit the F key in either the conning tower or control room I get a free roam, can use the arrow keys to move around when I have the mod installed. Main thing I really wanted was better magnification with the scope and TBT, so I just reverse engineered it and made my own mod without all the extras, that works fine every time.

CapnScurvy · 01-24-14, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Sniper297

.....if I hit the F key in either the conning tower or control room I get a free roam

You must have a mod installed, or some part of one left behind, because the stock SH4 version 1.4 does not have the "F" key mapped to anything.

Look at your Silent Hunter Wolves of the Pacific main game folder. The jpeg image (SH4_Q_Ref_card_Front.jpg) of the keyboard doesn't have anything mapped for the F key, the R, G, H, and a couple of others either.

Just not sure why your install would have a functional F key...... besides having a mod installed or a file left behind.

That's why I asked about the Gato/Balao conning tower helm dials. With my patched 1.4 game, the conning tower for the Gato/Balao (both use the same 3D model interior....the file is found in Data/Interior/NSS_Gato/NSS_Gato_CT.dat) have a Creation date (actually its the Modified date if you look at the "Properties" of the file) as 11/7/2007 @ 3:33pm. This file creates blank dials for the Gato/Balao conning tower:

My 1.5 version of the game has the same NSS_Gato_CT.dat with a created date of 11/29/2007 2:23pm (just 22 days later) and the file works fine, with displayed dials in the 1.4 version of the game!?!

I know there are screwy things with the game that not everybody see's (one guy see's something that another guy who uses a different game resolution won't).....I'm just wondering if there are different patched 1.4 versions floating around?

Sniper297 · 01-24-14, 02:45 PM

Romeo Tango Foxtrot Delta.

I just now read the directions,

"Free Camera
You will find you have greater maneuverability inside and out of the sub. If you find you have traveled outside the sub and have a black screen with a “Camera out of sectors” message, just click on the F2 or F4 key to return to an interior station."

Solves the original gripe, apparently it IS a known issue.

"You must have a mod installed, or some part of one left behind, because the stock SH4 version 1.4 does not have the "F" key mapped to anything."

Why YES, I DID have a mod installed, the optics mod which was the original topic. That does have the added feature of free interior movement after hitting the F key. Not in stock 1.4.

"That's why I asked about the Gato/Balao conning tower helm dials."

I always "Go Asiatic" for careers since I found the Hawaii-Honshu voyaging way too tedious, so I'm limited to S class, P class, Salmon or Sargo. I usually start and end with the same Sargo (always turning down new construction offers) because I'm screwy enough to prefer it over Gato/Balao.

I'll check out the Gato glitch you're talking about and get back to you.

Sniper297 · 01-24-14, 03:04 PM

Okay, two identical games, one without and one with Clayp's optics, 1943 Pearl start Gato class, I get the blank black dials either way. So it would appear that the optics mod is not the culprit, that bug is in the original 1.4 game.

CapnScurvy · 01-24-14, 03:37 PM

With the ClayP's Optics mod I didn't change the stock keyboard mapping....so what you have, is what you'll get. That's too bad because I could have mapped a key so you could go directly to the conning tower free move camera. As it is, to get free movement in the conning tower, you have to mouse click the hatch from the command room to have the camera change to the free ct room.

Yes, you can get out of trouble if you use the Command Room key "F2", but the problem with that is the camera you left behind in the "Out of Sectors" position will stay in limbo until the game is restarted. That's the problem with having the Free Movement capability. If you wander off too far outside the 3D environment, you're going to get lost. One thing you can do to get back is to reverse your course in movement. If you walked straight out through a wall and find yourself "Out of Sectors" in pitch black.....reverse course by backing straight back. This will put you back into the 3D model.......most of the time. Another thing to do is "Don't go through walls"!

I wouldn't use the right click to return to a previous view either. Think of going to a different view by stroking the keyboard, or mouse clicking a focusable hatch or object. Just remember wherever you leave the previous camera view, that's where it will stay until you return.

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Originally Posted by Sniper297

Okay, two identical games, one without and one with Clayp's optics, 1943 Pearl start Gato class, I get the blank black dials either way. So it would appear that the optics mod is not the culprit, that bug is in the original 1.4 game.

Yes, that's what I thought. The games 1.4 version is pooched for the dials in the Gato/Balao conning tower. It's little wonder this wasn't spotted earlier (probably was, but most folks went to version 1.5 and the issue was moot by then).

I'm working on a fix for my Optical Targeting Correction 1.4 modification. Along with some other things I'll add, I'll try to get it out soon.

Sniper297 · 01-24-14, 04:15 PM

Well, I didn't RTFD or I wouldn't have posted this in the first place, it IS mentioned in the docs. I gotta say it's one of the coolest mods I've seen, dunno why I waited so long to try it.

Free wandering about the decks from the bridge station.

Lookout from the lookout station.

Okay I got the leak stopped, now how do I climb out of here?

01-24-14, 11:31 AM	#2
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Nope, not seeing that. Also if I hit the F key in either the conning tower or control room I get a free roam, can use the arrow keys to move around when I have the mod installed. Main thing I really wanted was better magnification with the scope and TBT, so I just reverse engineered it and made my own mod without all the extras, that works fine every time.

01-24-14, 02:45 PM	#4
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Romeo Tango Foxtrot Delta. I just now read the directions, "Free Camera You will find you have greater maneuverability inside and out of the sub. If you find you have traveled outside the sub and have a black screen with a “Camera out of sectors” message, just click on the F2 or F4 key to return to an interior station." Solves the original gripe, apparently it IS a known issue. "You must have a mod installed, or some part of one left behind, because the stock SH4 version 1.4 does not have the "F" key mapped to anything." Why YES, I DID have a mod installed, the optics mod which was the original topic. That does have the added feature of free interior movement after hitting the F key. Not in stock 1.4. "That's why I asked about the Gato/Balao conning tower helm dials." I always "Go Asiatic" for careers since I found the Hawaii-Honshu voyaging way too tedious, so I'm limited to S class, P class, Salmon or Sargo. I usually start and end with the same Sargo (always turning down new construction offers) because I'm screwy enough to prefer it over Gato/Balao. I'll check out the Gato glitch you're talking about and get back to you.

01-24-14, 03:04 PM	#5
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Okay, two identical games, one without and one with Clayp's optics, 1943 Pearl start Gato class, I get the blank black dials either way. So it would appear that the optics mod is not the culprit, that bug is in the original 1.4 game.

01-24-14, 04:15 PM	#7
Sniper297 The Old Man Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Philadelphia Shipyard Brig Posts: 1,386 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 19	Well, I didn't RTFD or I wouldn't have posted this in the first place, it IS mentioned in the docs. I gotta say it's one of the coolest mods I've seen, dunno why I waited so long to try it. Free wandering about the decks from the bridge station. Lookout from the lookout station. Okay I got the leak stopped, now how do I climb out of here?