Arguing on GT

Platapus · 11-25-13, 07:31 PM

Here is a graphic about arguing on the Internets Tubes

Before responding to someone, we need to consider where in this pyramid our response falls into.

I personally think that Refutation and Counterargument should be reversed. But in any case we should strive to be in the top three.

If someone posts in the bottom four, we don't have to respond. How else will they learn?

Tchocky · 11-25-13, 07:37 PM

Guilty of responding to tone rather than argument.

More satisfying that way

nikimcbee · 11-25-13, 07:45 PM

Sweet, says nothing about changing the subject.

TarJak · 11-25-13, 07:58 PM

Derailment here we come.

Ducimus · 11-25-13, 08:17 PM

edit:
I say Meh, because I think there are very few people here capable of having an open discussion. Most of us state our firm opinions, then go on to support those opinions ad nauseum, going back and forth, back and forth like a verbal game of ping pong. I do not claim exception.

Buddahaid · 11-25-13, 08:23 PM

You're an ass hat!

Oh wait I got that backwards. Sorry.

Sailor Steve · 11-25-13, 08:25 PM

Refuting the Central Point: Sometimes not possible. Often it's difficult to tell the difference between argument and disagreement. Argument and refutations assumes there is a point. Learning to tell a point from an opinion is vital, but most of us forget from time to time, and some never learn the difference.

Refutation: Always something to strive for, but again is difficult when one party or the other assumes that his/her opinion is fact. Sometimes there are no facts.

Counterargument: Never say anything you can't back up with facts. If you have to, admit it's only your opinion.

Contradiction: Even worse, sometimes Contradiction doesn't state the opposing case at all. Merely saying "No, you're wrong" helps no one.

Responding to Tone: Good advice, but sometimes the tone needs responding to. I'm talking about those times when the opposing party uses tone to try to make a point. At those times the tone needs not to be responded to, but directly addressed for its own sake.

Ad Hominem: That's a good one, and a tough one at the same time. Even and idiot can be right, and even a genius can be wrong. Ad Hominem also includes attacking the opponent's sources. If you can prove the source is wrong with a source of your own, great, but just because the source is flawed it doesn't mean the point is.

Name-Calling: If you can't prove your point, throw something. A tantrum is less abusive than a brick, but it's still an admission of defeat.

Onkel Neal · 11-25-13, 08:26 PM

Why is it a triangle? Should be a pie chart.

Sailor Steve · 11-25-13, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Why is it a triangle? Should be a pie chart.

I think it's organized according to what the author considered order of importance.

CaptainMattJ. · 11-25-13, 08:28 PM

Once again i refer to:

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/

nikimcbee · 11-25-13, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Why is it a triangle? Should be a pie chart.

As long as it is a cherry pie...
or was it peach

or banana cream?

Ducimus · 11-25-13, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

I think it's organized according to what the author considered order of importance.

For the purposes of GT, it probably should be a pie chart. By my evaluation (for whatever that's worth), it all boils down to difference of opinion, and how those differences are continually expressed. It never really changes.

nikimcbee · 11-25-13, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarJak

Derailment here we come.

I love you man...

(note, in a purely platonic sense, not carnal!)

nikimcbee · 11-25-13, 08:35 PM

I can't believe no one has posted this yet?

in for the win.

Buddahaid · 11-25-13, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

I can't believe no one has posted this yet?

in for the win.

I withdraw.

11-25-13, 07:31 PM	#1
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,388 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	Arguing on GT Here is a graphic about arguing on the Internets Tubes Before responding to someone, we need to consider where in this pyramid our response falls into. I personally think that Refutation and Counterargument should be reversed. But in any case we should strive to be in the top three. If someone posts in the bottom four, we don't have to respond. How else will they learn? __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

11-25-13, 07:37 PM	#2
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Guilty of responding to tone rather than argument. More satisfying that way __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

11-25-13, 07:45 PM	#3
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	Sweet, says nothing about changing the subject. __________________

11-25-13, 08:23 PM	#6
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 9,332 Downloads: 162 Uploads: 0	You're an ass hat! Oh wait I got that backwards. Sorry. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

11-25-13, 08:25 PM	#7
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Refuting the Central Point: Sometimes not possible. Often it's difficult to tell the difference between argument and disagreement. Argument and refutations assumes there is a point. Learning to tell a point from an opinion is vital, but most of us forget from time to time, and some never learn the difference. Refutation: Always something to strive for, but again is difficult when one party or the other assumes that his/her opinion is fact. Sometimes there are no facts. Counterargument: Never say anything you can't back up with facts. If you have to, admit it's only your opinion. Contradiction: Even worse, sometimes Contradiction doesn't state the opposing case at all. Merely saying "No, you're wrong" helps no one. Responding to Tone: Good advice, but sometimes the tone needs responding to. I'm talking about those times when the opposing party uses tone to try to make a point. At those times the tone needs not to be responded to, but directly addressed for its own sake. Ad Hominem: That's a good one, and a tough one at the same time. Even and idiot can be right, and even a genius can be wrong. Ad Hominem also includes attacking the opponent's sources. If you can prove the source is wrong with a source of your own, great, but just because the source is flawed it doesn't mean the point is. Name-Calling: If you can't prove your point, throw something. A tantrum is less abusive than a brick, but it's still an admission of defeat. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

11-25-13, 07:58 PM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	Derailment here we come.

11-25-13, 08:17 PM	#5
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	edit: I say Meh, because I think there are very few people here capable of having an open discussion. Most of us state our firm opinions, then go on to support those opinions ad nauseum, going back and forth, back and forth like a verbal game of ping pong. I do not claim exception.

11-25-13, 08:26 PM	#8
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Why is it a triangle? Should be a pie chart. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

11-25-13, 08:28 PM	#10
CaptainMattJ. The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Sin City Posts: 1,364 Downloads: 55 Uploads: 0	Once again i refer to: https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/ __________________ A popular Government without popular information nor the means of acquiring it, is but a Prologue to a Farce or a Tragedy or perhaps both. Knowledge will forever govern ignorance, and a people who mean to be their own Governors must arm themselves with the power knowledge gives - James Madison

11-25-13, 08:35 PM	#14
nikimcbee Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Patroling the Slot. Posts: 17,952 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I can't believe no one has posted this yet? in for the win. __________________