Subsim front page article that pissed me off

[AVGWarhawk]

Kranz:

Besides - let's not mix two things. Japs serves as an abbreviation of Japanese. (but it carries a negative load at the same time).
Nazi carries an idealogical load - why did the German government enforce the changing of the name 'German concentration camps' into 'Nazi-German c.camps'?

Nazi carries more than a ideological load. Much more than Jap IMO. The submarines(u-boat) is a machine of war created to perpetuate the Nazi ideological load to the world. It does not matter who was manning the boat. It was a Nazi machine of war. Nazi u-boat is correct. It can not be much simpler than that. Men dead as a result of the Nazi war machine known as the u-boats. Negative connotations will proceed the u-boats for a long long time.

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Betonov

RMS Titanic was a Royal mail ship, but crewed by common men.

No, it was a Royal Mail Ship - a ship contracted to carry Royal Mail post. Losing our mail for 500 years.

[Betonov]

Then it was a Royal Mail Ship crewed by neither royalty neither postmen

[Schroeder]

I think we should finally put that PC crap to rest. Everybody should man up and stop whining and being offended by minor BS, we're not in a Kindergarten!
I can't believe this thread is still going.
Is Nazi sub a proper way to label the U-boat? Perhaps, I actually don't care much, they have been labelled Nazi this and Nazi that ever since WWII. Is it meant to catch attention? Yes, it is. Does it matter? Hell no!
So why don't we calm down?
Because some people want to catch attention just as badly as that headline!

[Herr-Berbunch]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Then it was a Royal Mail Ship crewed by neither royalty neither postmen

In the end, crewed by very little.

[ETR3(SS)]

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Actually both terms are correct. The u-boat is German, designed, built and crewed by Germans. On the other hand it was the Nazis who created the need in the first place. They created the war, and waged it. The tools were built at their behest and used to attack the enemies of the Reich. Since it was they who started the war you can either say the Nazis waged war on the world, or you can say the Germans did. While it was indeed Germans who did the fighting it was the Nazis who made it happen. It was the Germans who built the boat and manned it, but it was the Nazis who commanded that it be used to sink the ships of the enemies they created.

So yes, in the sense of who created the war, it was indeed a Nazi submarine.

Thanks for simplifying my obtuse, overly scholarly and pedantic post

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Schroeder

I can't believe this thread is still going.

Easy Schroeder! We're just hav'n fun and waitn' fer all the usual 'ranteurs' to check in. We closed/locked down the other 5 threads on this topic at 0100 this morning...so your up 80% on the situation already

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

In the end, crewed by very little.

I heard they had a great band onboard

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

You missed the point: vets say Nazi subs because that's what they were called when vets were fighting them. "Nazi subs", just like Nazi soldiers as in "we are fighting the Nazis" was always a common--and accurate--expression.

did I?
I wrote 'Vets say Krauts' - why are German troops not replaced with Kraut troops?

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

I'm not saying that "German submarine" is inaccurate. But "Nazi submarine" was just as accurate. It was Nazi Germany.

following your logic it would be Nazi German submarine rather than Nazi Submarine (like with the camps - Nazi-German concentration camps)

How about von Stauffenberg? Was he a Nazi-plotter?

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Kranz:
It does not matter who was manning the boat. It was a Nazi machine of war. Nazi u-boat is correct. It can not be much simpler than that. Men dead as a result of the Nazi war machine known as the u-boats. Negative connotations will proceed the u-boats for a long long time.

I didn't say it's incorrect. I admitted it appears as headlines etc. (like those posted by Neal).
Now, find me a historical book in which at least 50% of 'German xxx (where xxx means: gear or men) is replaced by 'Nazi xxx'

Why are all those Nazi war machines not called a Nazi Walther, a Nazi Panzerfaust, a Nazi helmet ?

I'm not shocked by a 'Nazi uboat' headline because I know it serves a certain purpose of causing stir.
Historical books seek for accuracy thereby they use German instead of Nazi.

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I heard they had a great band onboard

I heard they were washed out.

[Bilge_Rat]

Kranz, I am sure you realize most of the posts in this thread are in response to the OP. This is the one forum where you can discuss WW2 where everyone can make the distinction between a Nazi and a german just trying to survive. Most threads, even those discussing U-Boats, never even have the words Nazi posted.

But if someone is going to start a thread lecturing us that we should not use the word Nazi, especially in the GT , then all you will see is...


...NAZI, NAZI, NAZI, NAZI, etc.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by privateer

I don't know who died on that U-boat.
They may or may not have been Nazi Party.
What I do know.
It was a Nazi U-Boat.
It was sunk.
It was found.
Everyone on that U-Boat is dead for a long time now.
They were found and now a proper place as to where they rest is known.

I salute them for doing thier Duty no matter what they believed in at that moment in time.

Maybe some were Nazi. They died for what they believed in.

I can only hope I am remembered in such a way.

I honestly don't know why people get butthurt when a Uboat is called a "Nazi submarine".

Every sub theater has its fans, I understand this more then most. In the case of WW2 german subs, the facts are very clear.

- The flag flown from rear of the conning tower while in port was what?
- Said flag was a variation of the national flag of the day.
- Said U boats were part of the Kreigsmarine. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriegsmarine )
- Said Uboat was NOT part of the Bundesmarine. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Navy )

To say it was a Nazi submarine, IS historically accurate, but as mentioned, it does not mean every man on board was a card carrying member of the Nazi party. And i'm sure after 12 pages, I am completely off topic, but I thought id toss in my 2 cents for the hell of it.

[Schroeder]

Why is everybody spelling Kriegsmarine wrong?
Steve where are you???
It's Krieg, not Kreig.
Krieg = war
Kreig = ? (doesn't exist)

[kranz]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

To say it was a Nazi submarine, IS historically accurate,

then why is this 'historical accuracy' prevalent only in newspapers and popular science magazines?