The Coup D'etat of November 1963

[TarJak]

Desperate for attention IMO. It borders on trolling, stating the same old thing whilst refusing to consider any arguments to the contrary.

[Armistead]

I don't hold either is true, but I find a hard time believing Oswald acted alone.

One thing, for a man about to kill the President, seemed he hardly thought out his escape plan.

What I find amazing is the shot. A person would have to be nervous, his life is at stake in a place he would be lucky to escape from. That was some amazing shooting under the circumstances. Possible yes, probable...no.

Was he shot in the throat from the front, possible from the autopsy reports. Then the headshot...

Dr. Charles Crenshaw, surgeon at Parkland Hospital: The headwound was difficult to see when he was laying on the back of his head. However, afterwards when they moved his face towards the left, one could see the large, right rear parietal, occipital, blasted out hole, the size of my fist, which is 2 and a half inches in diameter. The brain, cerebreal portion had been flurred out and also there was the cerebrellum hanging out from that wound. It was clearly an exit wound from the right rear, behind the ear. A right occipital area hole, the size of my fist.""

The thing that is bothersome is too many strange factors, including the number of witnesses that died within the first 3 years. Different Drs. with different opinions....

We may never know, because it was done so it would always be a conspiracy.

I can't say who is to blame, but I don't believe Oswald was alone in this. However, I don't think it's a large govt. plan if one at all.

[Admiral Halsey]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact the Oswald had already botched one assassination attempt that would have been easier to pull off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_W...nation_attempt

Don't know why people forget his attempt on Edwin Walker's life.

[Sailor Steve]

I came across it in my research for this thread. I didn't think it important so I didn't mention it.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the fact the Oswald had already botched one assassination attempt that would have been easier to pull off. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edwin_W...nation_attempt

Don't know why people forget his attempt on Edwin Walker's life.

What I find strange is this attack seemed much more thought out and he still missed at 100 ft and planned his escape. Seems there was also another person involved.

Still, I don't think the govt was involved, I think it possible info they didn't release may have exposed Kennedy in some way they thought would endanger NS or embarrass his family and the nation. I think if any theory is true, it's mob related. Course I don't doubt at all that many in govt were elated he was dead.

http://channel.nationalgeographic.co...mafia-history/

"The House assassination committee's chief counsel and staff director, G. Robert Blakey, told the New York Times in 1979 that in his own mind, the link was much clearer. "I think the Mob did it," he said."

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TarJak

Desperate for attention IMO. It borders on trolling, stating the same old thing whilst refusing to consider any arguments to the contrary.

I have considered the others many times as mentioned, used to believe the official line, but no longer and yes, can not see how anyone still believes the garbage fed by the government.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I have considered the others many times as mentioned, used to believe the official line, but no longer and yes, can not see how anyone still believes the garbage fed by the government.

So you continue to accuse those who disagree with you of not having the ability to look at the evidence and come to a different conclusion on their own? It's not about believing the government, it's about making up our own minds. When are you going to figure that out?

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So you continue to accuse those who disagree with you of not having the ability to look at the evidence and come to a different conclusion on their own? It's not about believing the government, it's about making up our own minds. When are you going to figure that out?

I think he looked at the govts evidence and with other evidence found it not credible and made up his own mind.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I think he looked at the govts evidence and with other evidence found it not credible and made up his own mind.

That's fine. Now if he would give the same credence to me, we could actually have a conversation.

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I have considered the others many times as mentioned, used to believe the official line, but no longer and yes, can not see how anyone still believes the garbage fed by the government.

And Donohue's theory certainly does not follow the government line, garbage or otherwise. You're yet to show any hard facts relating to your theory that would stand up to scrutiny and yet your only defence for it is, that contrary evidence, (from the same source as some of yours), must have been falsified in some way.

Your theory doesn't hold water and you therefore merely dismiss everyone else as sheep blindly following a so called government lie. The theory I suggest is the most plausible from the evidence that I've looked at, including countless disproven conspiracy theories, is a long way off the government line, so doesn't fit your bleating defence.

[Dread Knot]

Originally Posted by TarJak

And Donohue's theory certainly does not follow the government line, garbage or otherwise. You're yet to show any hard facts relating to your theory that would stand up to scrutiny and yet your only defence for it is, that contrary evidence, (from the same source as some of yours), must have been falsified in some way.

That's the beauty of Donahue's theory. Essentially, when seen from outside a conspiracy to cover up an assassination is indistinguishable from a conspiracy to cover up a security screw-up.

But as I stated earlier, that's the problem too. It's too banal for the conspiracy industry. It's not a overlordy, shadowy plot you can pin on various institutions that you dislike ad infintium and never really have to prove.

So, I present a headline from The Onion to please all conspiracy theorists. Makes about as much sense as any of them do alone.

[TarJak]

Fro those with an interest in the medical evidence: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/medical.htm

Clear and concise explanations of most of the bunkum that conspiracy theorists put up as "evidence". Of course most of this follows the government line of shots coming from behind of which we are accused of sheepishly following by the OP.

Just for you Bubbles a few pictures from Zapruder (Frame 335), that might put you straight on a few of your "facts":


I see the back of the presidents head intact and a gaping wound on the upper right side of his head. What do you see?

On the subject of the head being shocked backward by a bullet entering the front of his skull, here is what the two frames before and after impact of the head shot; Frames 309 to 313:


If that is backward movement, then I'll happily eat crow. His head does rock back after this, but well after impact.

What did the Parkland doctors say when they saw the autopsy reports, photos and x-rays?: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/novadocs.htm

What did Cmdr Dr. James J. Humes say when interviewed by Dan Rather about the autopsy in 1967?:

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by TarJak

If that is backward movement, then I'll happily eat crow. His head does rock back after this, but well after impact.

When you say well after impact, could Jackie had to do something with his head rocking back. Not the bullet but the first lady panicking

[August]

Originally Posted by Betonov

When you say well after impact, could Jackie had to do something with his head rocking back. Not the bullet but the first lady panicking

Or/also the fact that the Limo driver floored the accelerator.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Dread Knot

So, I present a headline from The Onion to please all conspiracy theorists. Makes about as much sense as any of them do alone.

Right after the movie JFK came out I was discussing it with my friend Rocky. He quipped that there must have been 20 people blazing away from the grassy knoll. I said "No, nobody shot from there. There were twenty people all doing this..." I then pantomimed a guy reaching into his coat, freezing, looking around at all the other people doing the same, then pushing his gun back into the holster under his coat, putting his hands behind his back and trying to look nonchalant