George Zimmerman charged with felony after allegedly pointing gun at girlfriend

[AVGWarhawk]

From where I'm standing I don't see myself following this story of Zimmerman.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

From where I'm standing I don't see myself following this story of Zimmerman.

Fair enough...thread locked

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by August

According to that article there's not much proof of anything in this case either. Just her word.

But Ex-wives/girlfriends would never lie about something like that just to get even or something towards someone they are angry with. That would be wrong.

[Armistead]

It's obvious GZ has issues and I'm sure his life hasn't been the same, but I don't equate any of his actions with the Martin case. The one fact there is he didn't shoot until Martin was on top of him beating him up, so I believe the verdict was correct.

I do see a dark future for GZ, he is marked in many ways and life will be difficult. People know being around him can and will get them in the news and on talk shows....

[vienna]

All I know is I just won a bet I made when GZ wsa acquitted; it was the same bet (different person) I made about OJ Simpson. The cowardly criminal thug in each of them has won out and the world would be better off without them on our streets...



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[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by TorpX

Does this line of reasoning apply to others as well? Bill Clinton for instance?

I completely fail to see both the relationship between the two and the point you're trying to make.

Originally Posted by Platapus

But Ex-wives/girlfriends would never lie about something like that just to get even or something towards someone they are angry with. That would be wrong.

3 different woman and an entire murder investigation, along with testimony from multiple neighbors, all claiming the same exact thing: that Zimmerman is an ill-tempered arse.

Either everyone is out to get him or he is one particularly bent-out-of-shape individual. And ive seen alot more angry jerks than ive seen victims of a targeted conspiracy.

Originally Posted by Armistead

It's obvious GZ has issues and I'm sure his life hasn't been the same, but I don't equate any of his actions with the Martin case. The one fact there is he didn't shoot until Martin was on top of him beating him up, so I believe the verdict was correct.

I do see a dark future for GZ, he is marked in many ways and life will be difficult. People know being around him can and will get them in the news and on talk shows....

How can such a contested and obfuscated detail be considered factual at all, for either side of the debate? The whole incident was obfuscated. Nobody knew enough solid information to either fully redeem nor convict zimmerman.

As to your other point, what about the people who accused him of being belligerent BEFORE the martin case

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

How can such a contested and obfuscated detail be considered factual at all, for either side of the debate? The whole incident was obfuscated. Nobody knew enough solid information to either fully redeem nor convict zimmerman.

As to your other point, what about the people who accused him of being belligerent BEFORE the martin case

There was one male witness that saw Martin on top of him beating him, then he heard the gun shot. Regardless of how they came together, that's what saved his butt. Obviously the jury had enough solid information to find him not guilty. That's redemption.

Obvious many will try to connect his behavior now to the Martin case, but it resolves nothing. As many said, when his trial was over, his life was pretty much ruined anyway. I suspect he will continue to spiral out of control.

[Wolferz]

Right now this tool is up to his ears in debt to his lawyers.
He still can't seem to behave himself and the court system/s will eventually take him out.
I have to wonder, who is feeding this guy? Where does he get money to live on,much less come up with bail? His Daddy?
Pop better cut and run before his boy drags him all the way down.

[August]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

I completely fail to see both the relationship between the two and the point you're trying to make.

At least three different women accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.

[August]

Originally Posted by Armistead

There was one male witness that saw Martin on top of him beating him, then he heard the gun shot. Regardless of how they came together, that's what saved his butt.

Well that and the angle of the bullet and distance between Martins clothing and body corroborating it..

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Fair enough...thread locked

I meant the story in general. The thread will certainly go off on a tangent were Bush is blamed.

Obviously the jury had enough solid information to find him not guilty.

You got that completely backwards Armistead.
It was a lack of solid information which brought in the not guilty verdict, that's the way the law works.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

You got that completely backwards Armistead.
It was a lack of solid information which brought in the not guilty verdict, that's the way the law works.

I'll agree with that..but it was the solid witness statement that GZ was getting beaten by Martin that most jurors claimed it was self defense...

Originally Posted by Armistead

I'll agree with that..but it was the solid witness statement that GZ was getting beaten by Martin that most jurors claimed it was self defense...

Good gave the best witness testimony, it certainly wasn't solid though.
It didn't have to be solid, all they needed was reasonable doubt.
The only witness that could have given a solid statement on the events refused to testify.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by August

At least three different women accused Bill Clinton of sexual misconduct.

I know, and i know thats what he was referring to. But how does that pertain at all to GZ?

We know bill clinton got a BJ. We dont know anything conclusive in the GZ case, there wasnt enough evidence to convict nor was there really enough to totally redeem him.

The two are completely different. I simply dont understand why he would bring it up.

Originally Posted by Armistead

There was one male witness that saw Martin on top of him beating him, then he heard the gun shot. Regardless of how they came together, that's what saved his butt. Obviously the jury had enough solid information to find him not guilty. That's redemption.

Obvious many will try to connect his behavior now to the Martin case, but it resolves nothing. As many said, when his trial was over, his life was pretty much ruined anyway. I suspect he will continue to spiral out of control.

As tribesman said, absence of proof is not proof of absence. In the eyes of our law system, he is innocent until proven guilty. In reality, there are plenty of people who are guilty but have not enough proof to convict. There is not enough solid evidence to prove that he didnt do it just like there isnt enough solid evidence to prove he was guilty.

I wasn't connecting his behavior necessarily to the martin case. Ive just been saying that based on the multiple accusations now of him being an jerk, that he really IS a jerk.