BRAVO New Jersey...

[Oberon]

That's...strangely...progressive of you...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Oberon

That's...strangely...progressive of you...

lol it's one of the few issues "progressives" get right.Like I said, it does a real disservice(along with being just wrong and contradicting their ideology for liberty) to the conservative movement to oppose things like a reasonable living wage and choice(take out the religious whackos and real conservatives are for choice, individual liberties and all) , I get hammered from fellow conservatives about this often but the love for business is rooted deep in conservative thinking, which is okay to a point.Really, it is the only way to truly shrink the welfare state and make environment optimal for economic liberty, along with other things such as repealing the 16th amendment etc. A combination of getting the government off backs and out of the pockets of the average person, making sure the private sector provides within reason is the solution. Really, conservatives would be almost unstoppable if, as a movement, we embraced these things that well within out principles.

[TorpX]

People may feel good, and it may be popular, but it will still lead to higher unemployment and a deteriorating economy.

Here in Illinois, the state has completely embraced that philosophy, and has a shrinking economy as a result. Some may get a pay raise. Others will lose their jobs, or find getting one in the first place is more difficult.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by TorpX

People may feel good, and it may be popular, but it will still lead to higher unemployment and a deteriorating economy.

Here in Illinois, the state has completely embraced that philosophy, and has a shrinking economy as a result. Some may get a pay raise. Others will lose their jobs, or find getting one in the first place is more difficult.

I am not familiar with IL that much other than googling some brief info(other than it's a Democratic state and is in the condition most blue states are like CA etc) but I doubt one could honestly assign IL's economic woes to $8.25 an hour.That is $330 a week before taxes if(which between state and federal taxes, sure tax burden is quite hefty)if work 8 hours a day and typical 5 days per week.Between the high cost of living, taxes etc, just not much even with the raise.

Until we take the tax burden off, in addition to private sector paying a living wage for jobs it currently does not, then welfare state, the even expanding, intrusive, wealth consuming thing we conservatives despise, will continue to grow.