Abhorring and Disgusting display of police brutality

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I recall an experiment performed at a university in the 1970's where a group of men from various back grounds both ethnic and economic where split into two groups one where the "inmates" of a simulated prison the other half where the "guards".The goal of the experiment was to see how people would behave if they where given unchecked powers.So the guards where allowed to do what ever they wanted with no restrictions even if they broke the set rules they where not stopped.Well after a few days it got out of hand and they stopped the experiment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

The BBC did a similar experiment a few years back, called 'The Experiment':

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Experiment

It might be around on youtube somewhere, makes for interesting watching.

[Jimbuna]

Tis a funnel...not a tunnel

I hope the guys litigation is successful.

[Stealhead]

Even though this kind of thing does happen I really do not feel that law enforcement is out of control in the US.You can d and say things to cops here and 99% of the time have no fear.

For example one can choose to be fairly hostile in attitude and even disrespectful and nothing will happen to them.In many nations this is not the case at all.

I recall back in high school we had this exchange student from Brazil and a group us went to a movie one Friday night and he came along.We the theater was attached to a mall and there was a police officer there kind of a chubby fellow as well. Anyway a few people where openly making fun of him calling him "fat piggy" stuff like and unless he was deaf he could hear what they said.anyway the cop did not do anything.The kid from Brazil was shocked at how the cop reacted in Brazil you would never dare insult a cop in anyway.

Yeah there are abuses here and there but by and large in the US the police give people plenty of leeway.I think when you have incidents with cops that push it too far the higher ups can be blamed that particular precinct or perhaps entire department most likely has poor over sight and poor leadership that allows people to go too far.

Maybe I am just lucky(sarcastic intent here) I have only had one non traffic ticket type encounter with the law in the civilian world.And my attitude during the encounter was certainty not a "I will do what ever you say sir" at the same time I was not "asking for trouble" either I respectfully stood my ground as to the situation which was an attempt by one of the cops to nab me for public intoxication/open container he got me for neither because I did not allow him the opportunity to and he knew that i was not drunk and the OC hit was bogus at a tailgate party where there are 25,000 other people doing the same thing.The way I see it is that you have no idea what kind a cop/s you are dealing with are they the reasonable ones or are they the hall monitor types? You have no idea so best to proceed with caution and not give them any reason to come at you.Speak softly and carry a big stick if they violate your rights let them know when you slap the law suit against them not before hand because the authority abuser will butt heads with.

Not saying that the guy in this incident did anything to deserve all of the probing so far as the story has been laid out.

[nikimcbee]

It's in NM. I thought they nailed Heisnburg.

What Happened
While there, Eckert was subjected to repeated and humiliating forced medical procedures. A review of Eckert's medical records, which he released to KOB, and details in the lawsuit show the following happened:


1. Eckert's abdominal area was x-rayed; no narcotics were found.
2. Doctors then performed an exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
3. Doctors performed a second exam of Eckert's anus with their fingers; no narcotics were found.
4. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
5. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a second time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
6. Doctors penetrated Eckert's anus to insert an enema a third time. Eckert was forced to defecate in front of doctors and police officers. Eckert watched as doctors searched his stool. No narcotics were found.
7. Doctors then x-rayed Eckert again; no narcotics were found.
8. Doctors prepared Eckert for surgery, sedated him, and then performed a colonoscopy where a scope with a camera was inserted into Eckert's anus, rectum, colon, and large intestines. No narcotics were found.



Throughout this ordeal, Eckert protested and never gave doctors at the Gila Regional Medical Center consent to perform any of these medical procedures.

What the hell?
No words...

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Even though this kind of thing does happen I really do not feel that law enforcement is out of control in the US.You can d and say things to cops here and 99% of the time have no fear.

For example one can choose to be fairly hostile in attitude and even disrespectful and nothing will happen to them.In many nations this is not the case at all.

I recall back in high school we had this exchange student from Brazil and a group us went to a movie one Friday night and he came along.We the theater was attached to a mall and there was a police officer there kind of a chubby fellow as well. Anyway a few people where openly making fun of him calling him "fat piggy" stuff like and unless he was deaf he could hear what they said.anyway the cop did not do anything.The kid from Brazil was shocked at how the cop reacted in Brazil you would never dare insult a cop in anyway.

Yeah there are abuses here and there but by and large in the US the police give people plenty of leeway.I think when you have incidents with cops that push it too far the higher ups can be blamed that particular precinct or perhaps entire department most likely has poor over sight and poor leadership that allows people to go too far.

Maybe I am just lucky(sarcastic intent here) I have only had one non traffic ticket type encounter with the law in the civilian world.And my attitude during the encounter was certainty not a "I will do what ever you say sir" at the same time I was not "asking for trouble" either I respectfully stood my ground as to the situation which was an attempt by one of the cops to nab me for public intoxication/open container he got me for neither because I did not allow him the opportunity to and he knew that i was not drunk and the OC hit was bogus at a tailgate party where there are 25,000 other people doing the same thing.The way I see it is that you have no idea what kind a cop/s you are dealing with are they the reasonable ones or are they the hall monitor types? You have no idea so best to proceed with caution and not give them any reason to come at you.Speak softly and carry a big stick if they violate your rights let them know when you slap the law suit against them not before hand because the authority abuser will butt heads with.

Not saying that the guy in this incident did anything to deserve all of the probing so far as the story has been laid out.

Well, we have the first amendment and unless behavior is coming to the point of violating statutes concerning disorderly conduct, not much they can do legally.Still not smart to just randomly heckle a cop, they can arrest you for whatever, probably beat the rap but can't beat the ride as they say.

Police culture is out of control though, I guess since I saw the inside, I became friends, good friends with several cops, actually managed to date the one good looking female cop I ever saw around there lol, which had it's perks. Anyways, most are good people doing a job, which can be tough but the prevailing culture is one of "us vs them" which explains why incidents of misconduct and brutality are not really rare.Common thing that occurs is cops lie to suspects during investigations etc.Most common one I noticed is on DUI cases, suspects will be hesitant to perform sobriety tests, especially the breathalyzer, which is just helping the government convict them if they do.However, saw many cops tell them "Well things will go easier if you cooperate" or "well you license will be suspended" and heard many people tell me that story and I just cringe since if convicted will lose your license anyways, why help them convict you? Always tell my friends, politely refuse all sobriety tests, unless they have a video of you falling down drunk, much easier to win the case at trial if they even go to trial and don't drop it or offer a softball plea.I have seen people who I could tell were drunk, beat it at trial, 2 am, they were sleepy etc, it works but with scientific proof like a breathalyzer, you are screwed.Also, the old routine where cops lie and get people to incriminate themselves, tell them someone turned on then, they have this evidence etc when they don't.Yes, that is why have right to remain silent but most people don't full get this, don't think a cop can lie to them.These kind of tactics are wrong and should not be allowed but it's a cop thing that is repeated throughout the country.

Local Police and Sheriff's though are no where near as out of countrol as Federal Law Enforcement, FBI and DHS are modern day Gestapo and SS, they absolutely need to be curtailed.

[HW3]

It happened again....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ct-police-dog/

This is the kind of thing that happens when the entrance standards are lowered in order to have a more diverse police force.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by HW3

It happened again....

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013...ct-police-dog/

This is the kind of thing that happens when the entrance standards are lowered in order to have a more diverse police force.

Same county, Same dog, same medical center, same outcome, and yet another white guy anally raped by hispanic thugs with a badge.

And so far, no national coverage. I'd bet all of my money that if the anally raped victims were latino and the officers were white it would be plastered on every news channel in America. Maybe even another L.A riots scenario. But outlets like the today show care more about "What does the fox say" than the outrageous abuse of power and extreme infringement upon a man's right not to get repeatedly anally raped by police officers for failing to stop and then getting billed by the hospital.

This country's political correctness makes me want to vomit.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

And so far, no national coverage.

You know about it. I know about it. People in Australia, the UK, Germany and Slovenia know about it. I'd say the internet is doint its job.

I'd bet all of my money that if the anally raped victims were latino and the officers were white it would be plastered on every news channel in America.

Were the doctors who did the actual "raping" latino? I would actually take your bet. The pedigree of the people involved should not be an issue, and so far you're the only person who has made it one.

But outlets like the today show care more about "What does the fox say" than the outrageous abuse of power and extreme infringement upon a man's right not to get repeatedly anally raped by police officers for failing to stop and then getting billed by the hospital.

I've never known the Today Show to be about anything other than fluff. Expecting them to be more is, in my opinion, asking for the impossible. That said, after watching the news report posted by HW3 I would say justice is on the way to being served. The doctors who performed the procedures are under investigation by the state licensing board, as are the police officers. After all this I'd say both of the injured parties are likely to win any lawsuits brought against the city of Deming.

This country's political correctness makes me want to vomit.[/QUOTE]

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Well, we have the first amendment and unless behavior is coming to the point of violating statutes concerning disorderly conduct, not much they can do legally.Still not smart to just randomly heckle a cop, they can arrest you for whatever, probably beat the rap but can't beat the ride as they say.

Well that is what I said if you read my post is you should not hackle a cop because you have no idea if they are going to follow the law or push the limits.With one cop you could be fairly vocally hostile(meaning unfriendly rude but not making a specific threat) and they only should let you go say of they pulled you over or give a you a violation if you committed one.But another cop if you act that way might push the situation and at best kind of hackle you back which just makes the encounter longer or at worst go to the extreme.

Honestly I disagree that the "culture" is out of control.When you take into account how many LE officers there are in the incidents of abuse that prove to be true are not that common.

Generally speaking the typical person does not ever even encounter an FBI agent so I cant really see the evidence that they as a whole are out of control.

One thing people forget is that we have a free press here is the US so any incident gets tons of attention yet when cops do good deeds or just the everyday good that they do that hardly ever gets attention.It is just like everything else the bad gets noticed and the good does not.


Your advice kind of fails in Florida though where if you refuse you loose your license for 6 months of course that is better than one year if you get a conviction.Of course to be honest I really have no pity for a person who in truth was drunk getting off.They did risk their and everyone else lives by driving.


My brother in law is your worst enemy by the way he is one of the guys that works for the state crime lab in Louisiana he calibrates and maintains every single breath machine in LA as well as trains the all cops (not just the State Police) for their initial and renewal training they even calibrate the machines on Fort Brag and Barkesdale AFB as well as a few USCG stations.

They keep very detailed records for the machines and training records I saw the lab once pretty neat to see how they do it all.Of course my brother in law or one of the other techs has to show up for any DUI trial should they be called.Seems that the defense usually knows that trying to argue the accuracy is a moot point at of the machine itself.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Well that is what I said if you read my post is you should not hackle a cop because you have no idea if they are going to follow the law or push the limits.With one cop you could be fairly vocally hostile(meaning unfriendly rude but not making a specific threat) and they only should let you go say of they pulled you over or give a you a violation if you committed one.But another cop if you act that way might push the situation and at best kind of hackle you back which just makes the encounter longer or at worst go to the extreme.

Honestly I disagree that the "culture" is out of control.When you take into account how many LE officers there are in the incidents of abuse that prove to be true are not that common.

Generally speaking the typical person does not ever even encounter an FBI agent so I cant really see the evidence that they as a whole are out of control.

One thing people forget is that we have a free press here is the US so any incident gets tons of attention yet when cops do good deeds or just the everyday good that they do that hardly ever gets attention.It is just like everything else the bad gets noticed and the good does not.




Your advice kind of fails in Florida though where if you refuse you loose your license for 6 months of course that is better than one year if you get a conviction.Of course to be honest I really have no pity for a person who in truth was drunk getting off.They did risk their and everyone else lives by driving.


My brother in law is your worst enemy by the way he is one of the guys that works for the state crime lab in Louisiana he calibrates and maintains every single breath machine in LA as well as trains the all cops (not just the State Police) for their initial and renewal training they even calibrate the machines on Fort Brag and Barkesdale AFB as well as a few USCG stations.

They keep very detailed records for the machines and training records I saw the lab once pretty neat to see how they do it all.Of course my brother in law or one of the other techs has to show up for any DUI trial should they be called.Seems that the defense usually knows that trying to argue the accuracy is a moot point at of the machine itself.

Advice definitely does not fail in FL, I am from FL.What is better? Take a six month admin suspension for now submitting to the test, beat the conviction and not be forced into the money racket that is a DUI conviction? Special interests like MADD for example, get at least one(often more) mandated attendance to their "impact panels" by the convicted, last I checked it was $80 per panel in FL.Then everyone convicted is sent for an evaluation, which from what I understand usually leads to mandatory counseling sessions(evne if no prior alcohol record because in this pc world, every who likes to drink is an alcoholic) , at the expense of the convicted.Truth is, there is DUI according to the idiotic laws most have and actual DUI. The common .08 limit is BS, people are not drunk at the level yet plenty of people get arrested, foolishly submit to their tests and get convicted, then get caught in the government racket, costing them thousands of dollars so yes, best not to help them out, take the 6 month admin, get a hardship license, beat the rap .

I agree, it's pretty rare to beat a breathalyzer based on the maintenance records, they are pretty meticulous about that.I have seen a breath test successfully thrown out once based on maintenance issues, other times it is for other reasons.Actually know of one getting dismissed because it was shown the officer who administered it had not completed training on the machine yet, they were busy and no one else to operate it, so he performed the test, was fun when that little bit surprised the persecutor, ooked like she was going to cry lol nothing like watching government stooges fall flat.

[Wolferz]

Stay off their radar.