Tyranny from the IRS

[vienna]

The real problem is people not knowing which fights to pick. If you defend a charlatan, you are not only perpetuating their fraud, you are damaging the very argument you wish to make. There are a great many other persons who are truly being persecuted by various government entities, but, unless some politacally or personal-gain motivated individual or group, say, like the Limbaughs and Sharptons of the world, rush to their "defense", no one ever really raise a hand to help them, unless it's something like the ACLU or other "liberal" group...

When I did my Google search, I just picked two out of the top five hits. I did skim over the others, but I felt those two were a good example of my point. They are not being persecuted because of their "outspoken opposition"; they plain and simple violated the law. As a "future barrister", you should understand the distinction. If you don't like the law change it or change those who make the law...

Additional problems arise from those who make broad, sweeping assertions without proper foundation, reasoning, or researched knowledge...

By the way, thank you for noting my wit. Jealous, much? I will see if there is a "witless protection" program avilable for you...


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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

The real problem is people not knowing which fights to pick. If you defend a charlatan, you are not only perpetuating their fraud, you are damaging the very argument you wish to make. There are a great many other persons who are truly being persecuted by various government entities, but, unless some politacally or personal-gain motivated individual or group, say, like the Limbaughs and Sharptons of the world, rush to their "defense", no one ever really raise a hand to help them, unless it's something like the ACLU or other "liberal" group...

When I did my Google search, I just picked two out of the top five hits. I did skim over the others, but I felt those two were a good example of my point. They are not being persecuted because of their "outspoken opposition"; they plain and simple violated the law. As a "future barrister", you should understand the distinction. If you don't like the law change it or change those who make the law...

Additional problems arise from those who make broad, sweeping assertions without proper foundation, reasoning, or researched knowledge...

By the way, thank you for noting my wit. Jealous, much? I will see if there is a "witless protection" program avilable for you...


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Who cares if they violated the law? The laws are unjust, an unjust law is no law at all.The government is picking on the wife now to prove a point, even the judge made a reasonable compromise but the government, in typical tyrannical fashion said no, because they want these people to suffer.

I looked them up and what I see are two people who have been fighting the good fight against an oppressive government.Writing a book etc is how you spread the word and so what if make some money off of it, it's needed to carry on this battle.

Yes, I realize you move to change the law or those who make them but it does not always work.How you change the law iswith a movement and if the law is so unjust, some may choose not to obey it in the meantime to draw attention to the subject.There is a lot of power behind keeping the 16th amendment as is and it's called the IRS.The IRS is a weapon that few in power would want to give up.

The woman owes them no money, she is simply refusing to sign a form and allow them to force her to submit to their will.This is tyrannical behavior would expect from Russia etc, not the US, but it is commonplace sadly.Thanks to people like you, who think it is acceptable.

FYI, the ACLU geneally only helps you if you are poor, non white, or fighting something religious, unless you are a muslim who tried to attack the US.

Jealous? lol right.No, just your "wit" is deflection, because you think trying to be sarcastic makes you funny and original, but it does not.You are just another hack trying to tow the government line because it makes you feel good about yourself.Also, it's personal because I made the post.Grow up, make an argument or SHUT UP. Personal insults, veiled or overt are not called for.

[vienna]

Pathetic, Bubbles, just plain pathetic...


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[vienna]

FYI, the ACLU geneally only helps you if you are poor, non white, or fighting something religious, unless you are a muslim who tried to attack the US.

BTW, re: the ACLU and who they defend:


https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/cit...u-amicus-brief

Research is a wonderful thing; try it sometimes - I promise it won't hurt...


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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

BTW, re: the ACLU and who they defend:


https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/cit...u-amicus-brief

Research is a wonderful thing; try it sometimes - I promise it won't hurt...


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Do you even live here? I have real world experience with the ACLU.Generally speaking, they only handle cases involving non whites etc Now, is that their official policy? No but is it generally what they do? Yes. Example, I once met with the local director in my home town who refused to lift a finger to help a white, middle class guy facing some issues with the local police.Maybe a year later, same type of case, it was all over local news, black client and ACLU was helping him.This repeats itself all over the country.Do they help white people sometimes? Yes but generally ? no, unless it has do with religion. Just how it is and is one reason that organization is so reviled by many.The name and it's purpose sounds great, but the left wing loons who run the show there have ruined it, then again if I recall the founder was a communist, so makes sense.Thin they would take up the case of a tax protester? Doubt it, unless they were black, but maybe not even then.

[vienna]

Still pathetic...


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[Sailor Steve]

Too much excitement! Vienna, please tone down the sarcasm. It's not much better than out-and-out insult. Bubblehead, please don't get so wound up. You have to understand that while you may be right about this, you also be wrong.

[vienna]

Sorry Steve, will comply...


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[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Too much excitement! Vienna, please tone down the sarcasm. It's not much better than out-and-out insult. Bubblehead, please don't get so wound up. You have to understand that while you may be right about this, you also be wrong.

Thank you for being fair.I do tend to get fired up on this subject, especially those who defend the government.Like I always say, there are possibilities I am wrong but this is a case when I know I am not.Facts are cut and dry, they oppose the government and income tax, that aside, she is being persecuted because refuses to sign a document, so they want to put her in prison.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by vienna

BTW, re: the ACLU and who they defend:


https://www.aclu.org/free-speech/cit...u-amicus-brief

Research is a wonderful thing; try it sometimes - I promise it won't hurt...


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Ok, so they got it right for once, but I will maintain my stance.That is what I said generally speaking, meaning they may get it right sometimes but like I mentioned in other post, they have an agenda and it does not always involve all citizens.