Obamacare

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't listen to O'Reilly or Fox anymore, but yes, Obamacare is unraveling and imploding. The voting public has been baited and switched. How could anyone believe that millions added to the systems heavily subsidized would lower rates? It is insane. Credibility? Of what little it had is now gone.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I don't listen to O'Reilly or Fox anymore,

Oh ill never deny Fox news is biased toward the right. I honestly look at foxnews and CNN every day. One right after the other. I will have to give points to O'Reily though at being articulate. I don't normally listen to him myself. I think he has a slight evangelical leaning if i remember correctly. He does get my attention when he's articulate in certain topics though.

but yes, Obamacare is unraveling and imploding. The voting public has been baited and switched. How could anyone believe that millions added to the systems heavily subsidized would lower rates? It is insane. Credibility? Of what little it had is now gone.

Your not going to find me disagreeing with you. Large overhauls are best done incrementally, and slowly. Obamacare as it sits now is too much, going too far, and going too fast. May as well say its being ramrodded down our throats.

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh, and to be sure, folks are not being cancelled. They are being transitioned. With attached new astronomical costs. But gee, you are getting better coverage like maternity care. You need maternity care right Ducimus?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Oh, and to be sure, folks are not being cancelled. They are being transitioned. With attached new astronomical costs. But gee, you are getting better coverage like maternity care. You need maternity care right Ducimus?

Yeah. In January. I'm not sure how this is going to work out. My wife and I are on our own separate plans. She has one from her work, and I from mine. It's been cheaper that way rather then add one of us to one plan or the other.

Open enrollment at my work starts next month. Frankly, im petrified at what I'm going to be seeing in my health care. The baby is most likely going to be on her plan, though that may change. In any event, one of our plans are going up due to dependant.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Yeah. In January. I'm not sure how this is going to work out. My wife and I are on our own separate plans. She has one from her work, and I from mine. It's been cheaper that way rather then add one of us to one plan or the other.

Open enrollment at my work starts next month. Frankly, im petrified at what I'm going to be seeing in my health care.

You and much of America are petrified. Not all of America sits idly by depending on government to figure it out for them. Those that do would be the BO voters. I'm fortunate to have coverage via my work for the entire family. My boss, God bless him, always provided the Cadillac plan. The premiums are still part of my yearly income but it is handled by my employer. I get taxed on it. At the end of the day my family is covered. The only issue he is having at the moment is BC/BS is not providing any numbers for possible increase in premiums. They are coming. Somebody has to pay for the heavily subsidized and the 85,000 in the state of MD that have been automatically enrolled in FREE Medicaid.

[Wolferz]

More and more news articles are bringing to light exactly what kind of Flim Flam this BS ACA is. In my estimation, it's just another back door tax being foisted on everyone. The worst part of the lie is in the name of the law. It should have been called the Unaffordable insurance tax.

To me, healthcare reform would better serve if they brought down the exorbitant fees these doctors and hospitals want to charge.

IE: My primary care physician bills my insurance at the rate of $140.00 per visit, for five minutes of work. Which equals out to $1,680.00 an hour.

My Medicare insurance only covers a small portion of that thanks to an exorbitantly high deductible.


Exactly what has this new law reformed!?
Maybe we should all just march out to the woods and die. That would fix everything.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

To me, healthcare reform would better serve if they brought down the exorbitant fees these doctors and hospitals want to charge.

Who is "they"? The government?

Just curious, how would you suggest either the federal or state government to do this? Are you really advocating giving the government the authority to tell business people how much they can charge for their services/products?

Suppose the government decided that you are being overpaid?

No. That would be a very dangerous precedent.

[Catfish]

Hey, in Germany we still pay 'taxes' for

1. The german fleet of pre 1914 - champagne is being taxed to support the german Navy; as William 2nd said "who has money for champagne can support the fleet".

2. The allied airlift to Berlin - Germany certainly had to pay for it, and so the parliament created an additional car tax to the already existing fuel tax, to finance the airlift.

We still pay for both. Taxes, once created, will never be taken back

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Catfish

We still pay for both. Taxes, once created, will never be taken back

"Taxes are never levied for the benefit of the taxed."
-Robert A. Heinlein

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hey, in Germany we still pay 'taxes' for

1. The german fleet of pre 1914 - champagne is being taxed to support the german Navy; as William 2nd said "who has money for champagne can support the fleet".

2. The allied airlift to Berlin - Germany certainly had to pay for it, and so the parliament created an additional car tax to the already existing fuel tax, to finance the airlift.

We still pay for both. Taxes, once created, will never be taken back

Not doubting what you state but how are you still paying taxes for something over one hundred years ago?

Income tax in the U.S.A. started around WWI.
It was said to only last to aid the War effort.
Once it was passed?

GFL getting it removed!

[Catfish]

Read it. Thoroughly.

http://fusion.net/leadership/story/c...nalysis-102590

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

In my estimation, it's just another back door tax being foisted on everyone.

From what I understand, we are subsidizing this fiasco. Which as near as i figure it means that when you boil all the fat away, that all the getto mammas', crack whore's, and Juanita's with anchor baby's will now have health insurance, and we will be paying for it. Freaking welfare state is what this is. I don't make much money, but I worked for every cent I have, and everything I own was from my own efforts. I have always earned my own way, and I have never asked anyone for anything. So the thought of me shelling out some of my money for the benefit of some lazy pieces of feces pisses me off.

All things considered the entire situation gets a mighty one fingered salute paired with a Foxtrot Uniform from me to Obama and the Democrats who foisted this crap.

[TorpX]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Read it. Thoroughly.

http://fusion.net/leadership/story/c...nalysis-102590

From your source:

"In fascism, the government doesn’t own the means of production, but they do control it — and that’s what’s happening with our health care programs and these reforms.”

So, you're saying it's fascism?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

From what I understand, we are subsidizing this fiasco. Which as near as i figure it means that when you boil all the fat away, that all the getto mammas', crack whore's, and Juanita's with anchor baby's will now have health insurance, and we will be paying for it. Freaking welfare state is what this is. I don't make much money, but I worked for every cent I have, and everything I own was from my own efforts. I have always earned my own way, and I have never asked anyone for anything. So the thought of me shelling out some of my money for the benefit of some lazy pieces of feces pisses me off.

All things considered the entire situation gets a mighty one fingered salute paired with a Foxtrot Uniform from me to Obama and the Democrats who foisted this crap.

That is in part but many were already on medicaid for free. The other aspect is the folks with pre-existing conditions. There will be a huge influx of people being able to get treatment. Many of these will be highly subsidized. The only way to afford this is jack up premiums and get the healthy young enrolled....PLUS....see to it that thousands get canceled for sub par insurance as dictated by the ACA. This forces higher premiums. So yeah, you can't keep that plan you like. The fix is in. America is just starting to smell the coffee. Where are all the cheerleaders we had in the original Obamacare thread?