US ambassador to Germany hauled over the coals over Merkel spying allegations

Mr Quatro · 10-28-13, 03:21 PM

I don't have time to read everything the NSA whistleblower Snowden said or divulged to outside sources, but how can anyone be sure that what was said was what he really said?

Someone is making money off of this reporting that the NSA did this and the NSA did that and who they did it to. Who can tell what the truth is besides the NSA and they are not about to admit to or claim or disclaim anything, because that is their very nature.

I suspect and ponder all of this news is a way to make waves and lots of money ... life goes on.

One thing I do know Russia now knows a lot more than it did and how the NSA works. All that's left is for another country to get caught up in this spying effort to obtain classified information

10-28-13, 04:06 PM

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One thing I do know Russia now knows a lot more than it did and how the NSA works.

Do you really think they didn't know already?
All this has meant is that the average Russian and the average American now knows a little bit about the huge scale at which phone calls are recorded.

Jimbuna · 10-28-13, 04:09 PM

Pretty much how I see it.

TarJak · 10-28-13, 04:50 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-2...eports/5051220

Spain is the next to jump up and down about the same thing.

TarJak · 10-29-13, 06:08 PM

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-3...encies/5056534

We get tarred with the same brush.

The whole partisan political crap being spouted here is laughable. I don't think either party can claim any moral high ground here because the spying on allies has been going on since the dawn of time. BO has just been left standing when the music stopped.

Penguin · 10-29-13, 06:37 PM

Merkel can cry a big river of crocodile tears. The same woman who denied knowledge of Prism or the NSA or GCHQ surveiling German citizens suddenly cries wolf? Gimme a break.

Germany has always been on top of spying on its own citizens. In the 90s we already had nearly as many telephone surveillances as the US, with less than a third of its population. The difference is that the public here gets even less information about the scale of spying. An intelligence boss speaking in an open parliament session, like Keith Alexander did? Unthinkable in Germany. The plebs don't have to know anything.

The last numbers we got, were from 2010 when 37 million emails (out of an unknown monitored number n) were closer observed. They found "something" in whopping 213 cases, or 0.00058% - how many of those really lead to something usefull or arrests is also unknown.

Today we assume that about 20% of the email traffic in Germany get monitored. The same people who called the GDR an injust system, because it spied on its own citizens, are now fulfilling the wet dreams of the Stasi.

TarJak · 10-30-13, 03:00 AM

http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/26/i-c...32974095220739

This article is about a journo qho arranged a a personal pwn test by a white hat hacking firm. Interesting and scary.

10-28-13, 04:09 PM	#3
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,844 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Pretty much how I see it. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

10-28-13, 03:21 PM	#1
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't have time to read everything the NSA whistleblower Snowden said or divulged to outside sources, but how can anyone be sure that what was said was what he really said? Someone is making money off of this reporting that the NSA did this and the NSA did that and who they did it to. Who can tell what the truth is besides the NSA and they are not about to admit to or claim or disclaim anything, because that is their very nature. I suspect and ponder all of this news is a way to make waves and lots of money ... life goes on. One thing I do know Russia now knows a lot more than it did and how the NSA works. All that's left is for another country to get caught up in this spying effort to obtain classified information

10-28-13, 04:50 PM	#4
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-2...eports/5051220 Spain is the next to jump up and down about the same thing.

10-29-13, 06:08 PM	#5
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-3...encies/5056534 We get tarred with the same brush. The whole partisan political crap being spouted here is laughable. I don't think either party can claim any moral high ground here because the spying on allies has been going on since the dawn of time. BO has just been left standing when the music stopped.

10-29-13, 06:37 PM	#6
Penguin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Rheinische Republik Posts: 3,322 Downloads: 92 Uploads: 0	Merkel can cry a big river of crocodile tears. The same woman who denied knowledge of Prism or the NSA or GCHQ surveiling German citizens suddenly cries wolf? Gimme a break. Germany has always been on top of spying on its own citizens. In the 90s we already had nearly as many telephone surveillances as the US, with less than a third of its population. The difference is that the public here gets even less information about the scale of spying. An intelligence boss speaking in an open parliament session, like Keith Alexander did? Unthinkable in Germany. The plebs don't have to know anything. The last numbers we got, were from 2010 when 37 million emails (out of an unknown monitored number n) were closer observed. They found "something" in whopping 213 cases, or 0.00058% - how many of those really lead to something usefull or arrests is also unknown. Today we assume that about 20% of the email traffic in Germany get monitored. The same people who called the GDR an injust system, because it spied on its own citizens, are now fulfilling the wet dreams of the Stasi.

10-30-13, 03:00 AM	#7
TarJak Fleet Admiral Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 17,052 Downloads: 150 Uploads: 8	http://pandodaily.com/2013/10/26/i-c...32974095220739 This article is about a journo qho arranged a a personal pwn test by a white hat hacking firm. Interesting and scary.