Government Shutdown

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

My side?

Not an American.

but you have lived here, gone to school here, worked here and surely you must have loved it here for you have a lot to say about here

Originally Posted by Tchocky

My side?

Not an American.

if you aren't an American they why do you spend so much time and effort defending them

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

The heathens! tipping still required and you were 'honored' as most infidels are not generally allowed to view such executions( bad PR)

Instead of the beheading shin dig I went some others to an Al Baik restaurant it's kida like halal KFC only it tastes much better than KFC.

These where Royal Saudi Air Force pilots that invited us because they had previously discussed the death penalty with us so they wanted us to see it for real and see if that effected our opinion.They where fairly westernized and also liked booze.

[Tchocky]

I find this stuff interesting. I find the label "socialist" for the Democrats even more interesting.


Edit - interesting meaning wrong, naturally.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

I find this stuff interesting. I find the label "socialist" for the Democrats even more interesting.


Edit - interesting meaning wrong, naturally.

ok, so your just here to troll.

its a free country

[Ducimus]

I just saw an interesting post on the comments section on a local news source here in Utah. It seemed well stated enough that I thought i'd repost it here.

Again, not my words, I just thought it an interesting read:

Actually, we the people are to blame.

On the one hand, despite round agreement that incumbents become a problem, we tend to re-elect incumbents handily, and when we don't (Mike Lee ousting Bennett, Chafetz winning over Cannon), too many act as if the sky is falling and massive rule changes are needed.

On the other hand, the two parties are simply representing a deeply divided nation.

There are those who sincerely believe that government should guarantee to every citizen free healthcare. Whether they call this "single payer" or "socialized" or anything else, they believe government should guarantee free health care, which would have to be paid for by taxpayers at large. This same group believes that elective abortion on demand is a near absolute right and must be included in said free coverage. They tend to believe that private ownership of guns is a bad idea and should be greatly curtailed and what remains heavily taxed and regulated. They tend to believe that religion causes problems and should be pushed out of the public sphere and out of business practices, and that government must ensure that employers treat employees kindly, These folks believe homosexual couples must be given full marriage benefits, or that government recognition of marriage should end entirely.

On the other side are those who believe just as sincerely that obtaining and providing healthcare are private matters in which government involvement must be minimized. They believe that abortion is a gross violation of the rights of the unborn and so should be legally limited to a few extreme cases such as rape, incest, or grave risk to life of the mother; and that nobody should ever be forced to participate in or fund an abortion in any way (direct or indirect) contrary to conscience. They believe that private ownership of firearms is not only a constitutionally enumerated right on equal footing with freedoms of the press, speech, and right to an attorney, but that it is essential to the maintenance of a free society and so must be as protected from regulation and taxes as are the other enumerated rights. They believe that religion plays a key role in our society and that our laws must protect not only freedom to believe and to worship in a church or home, but also must protect peaceful religious expression in the public sphere, in how business is conducted, and so on. They believe that marriage is a union of a man and a woman and that homosexual conduct is not something government or society should encourage, condone, nor celebrate. They believe that within limits of worker safety, employers and employees should be free to negotiate for mutually agreeable terms--or to part ways peacefully--without government mandates.

These are fundamentally incompatible views of the role of government, and indeed, even the very nature of society.

An honest, mature man will recognize and concede that neither side is evil; both hold their views as sincerely believing they will lead to the best society in which to live.

But they are incompatible. There is very little room for either side to "compromise" with the other.

For those who want an absolute guarantee of free medical care, the ACA is nearly as offensive as it is to those who want government out of health care almost entirely.

Those who view abortion as a right are as offended by limits on late term abortion as are those opposed to abortion by mandates to pay for abortion via tax money or through insurance policies.

We are a people divided.

And our government reflects that.

Good luck even proposing, much less implementing any workable solutions.

[Tchocky]

Hardly.

Oh by the way your post doesn't make any sense since you edited it.

if you aren't an American they why do you spend so much time and effort defending them

On this subject perhaps he is just pissed at all those who jump on a plane to come over here clogging up the system by visiting a hospital as it works out cheaper and quicker than the bloated system you had with its crazy premiums, high levels of denials and astronomical deductions

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

.They where fairly westernized and also liked booze.

Yup, occasionally I guard a Persian New Year event and an upscale mosque in the Bay area. My Iranian buddies and I like to four-wheel and goat hunt and the Johnny Walker(red) flows. Something rubs off as, occasionally, I dream in Farsi and I actually understand what they're saying!!! The new years events are generally attended by demonstrations against the Shah- now against the Mullah of choice. Just to cover my eternal butt, I do the local temple too on the high holidays with equally attendant antisemetic issues. Prefer Islam-they pay cash under the table, augmenting my now endangerd social security due to the shutdown in DC. Nice Skyraider sig by the by, my old boss drove 'em in Nam. Can't beat 'em for time on target.

[Platapus]

We just got told that we will be furloughed. I have a choice for up to the next two weeks. Leave without pay or I can use my vacation time, if I have enough. I have not taken a vacation in 7 years, now I have to burn all my leave (NPOs don't get a lot of leave) because the petulant children congress can't do their job.

Guess there won't be any time off for any of the holidays. But I am sure congress will be able to take time off this holiday season.

Marvelous

I hope it is worth it congress. I will be thinking about you in the next elections.

Best wishes from just a guy trying to support his country.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Platapus

We just got told that we will be furloughed. I have a choice for up to the next two weeks. Leave without pay or I can use my vacation time, if I have enough. I have not taken a vacation in 7 years, now I have to burn all my leave (NPOs don't get a lot of leave) because the petulant children congress can't do their job.

Guess there won't be any time off for any of the holidays. But I am sure congress will be able to take time off this holiday season.

Marvelous

I hope it is worth it congress. I will be thinking about you in the next elections.

Best wishes from just a guy trying to support his country.

The straight poop from one who knows!

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Yup, occasionally I guard a Persian New Year event and an upscale mosque in the Bay area. My Iranian buddies and I like to four-wheel and goat hunt and the Johnny Walker(red) flows. Something rubs off as, occasionally, I dream in Farsi and I actually understand what they're saying!!! The new years events are generally attended by demonstrations against the Shah- now against the Mullah of choice. Just to cover my eternal butt, I do the local temple too on the high holidays with equally attendant antisemetic issues. Prefer Islam-they pay cash under the table, augmenting my now endangerd social security due to the shutdown in DC. Nice Skyraider sig by the by, my old boss drove 'em in Nam. Can't beat 'em for time on target.

You could talk to my mother and grandmother then in Farsi.Where these friends Lur by any chance? Course they left before the whole mess in 1979 my father did some contract work there for Bell Helicopter.

Yes I have always loved the Skyraider.They had some times over Laos i think I read some place that just the USAF lost 123 A-1 pilots in Nam course they had very hazardous jobs worth it though to save the skins of ground powders and downed airmen.

[Bubblehead1980]

Originally Posted by Platapus

We just got told that we will be furloughed. I have a choice for up to the next two weeks. Leave without pay or I can use my vacation time, if I have enough. I have not taken a vacation in 7 years, now I have to burn all my leave (NPOs don't get a lot of leave) because the petulant children congress can't do their job.

Guess there won't be any time off for any of the holidays. But I am sure congress will be able to take time off this holiday season.

Marvelous

I hope it is worth it congress. I will be thinking about you in the next elections.

Best wishes from just a guy trying to support his country.

Blame Obama and the Dems for refusing to to listen to the American people and accept the reasonable compromise offers put forth.

[Tchocky]

He's not stupid.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Platapus

We just got told that we will be furloughed. I have a choice for up to the next two weeks. Leave without pay or I can use my vacation time, if I have enough.

Sorry to hear that. My company is letting us take an extra 24 hours of leave if we burn through our accrued time.

Originally Posted by Platapus

Guess there won't be any time off for any of the holidays. But I am sure congress will be able to take time off this holiday season.

There's no need to grumble about it. Haven't you seen how many of them are giving up their paychecks? They're in the same boat as us.