Government Shutdown

Wolferz · 10-01-13, 07:39 AM

The Republicans think they're giving the Democrats a black eye in all of this. What they are actually doing is shooting themselves in the foot...again.
I wish them luck in the mid terms, they'll need it as America votes them out of their cushy jobs. He who laughs last, laughs in the unemployment line.

Oops. No unemployment because the office is closed.

Look away folks. GOP sepaku isn't a pretty sight.

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-13, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

The Republicans think they're giving the Democrats a black eye in all of this. What they are actually doing is shooting themselves in the foot...again.
I wish them luck in the mid terms, they'll need it as America votes them out of their cushy jobs. He who laughs last, laughs in the unemployment line.

Oops. No unemployment because the office is closed.

Look away folks. GOP sepaku isn't a pretty sight.

They are all looking stupid and childish. The last mid-term elections the Repubs were voted in to stop crazy spending. Here they are doing it and folks are up in arms. This makes zero sense. Then again, what occurs these days anywhere at any time makes no sense.

The unemployment office is open. Checks will go out. Might be a bit delayed but non-the-less open.

Jimbuna · 10-01-13, 08:20 AM

Fast becoming a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

Dread Knot · 10-01-13, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Fast becoming a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

Welcome to the Banana Republic of America. Care for a coconut?

I think the salient lesson the outside world can learn from all this, is that an exclusively two-party system isn't such a great idea.

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-13, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Fast becoming a laughing stock in the eyes of the world.

Not much more laughing than other countries on this mud ball.

Mr Quatro · 10-01-13, 11:24 AM

What's the hurry? No big deal the vote to extend the federal budget was only going to last till mid November anyway.

The biggie problem is the debt ceiling vote due mid October ...

misewell wait and vote for both at the same time, right?

Debt ceiling: 8 things you need to know but wish you didn't

Wolferz · 10-01-13, 11:32 AM

Just go ahead and lock the doors to congress and the senate. Cut off their paychecks and send their worthless backsides home.
People are blubbering because they can't go visit Yellowstone for cripes sake!

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-13, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

Just go ahead and lock the doors to congress and the senate. Cut off their paychecks and send their worthless backsides home.
People are blubbering because they can't go visit Yellowstone for cripes sake!

Both the House and Senate continue getting paid. Notice a trend here for the political elite?

Oberon · 10-01-13, 12:24 PM

It does go further than closed parks and tourist attractions though, just take a look at this thread, and razark. If this thing only lasts a couple of days then the effect will be minimal, but if it goes to twenty-one days like last time then there's going to be a lot of Americans who are going to be eating into their savings, and as such they are going to be reluctant to spend and that will have a knock on effect to businesses. It's not a big knock-on affect, it's not the end of the world for the US economy, but it's something that it could do without.
Then there's the knock-on effect that the shutdown has had on the view of the US government and its members by both the US people and the people of the world, when the last shutdown happened under Clinton it was widely acknowledged to be a factor that helped re-elect Clinton, because the Republicans were seen as being behind the shutdown and it hurt them. This time it's a bit less clear-cut as the Democrats are seen as being partly involved by refusing to negotiate, but nevertheless this will backfire on the Republicans badly, especially if they do go ahead and play chicken with the debt-ceiling in a fortnight.

So, short story long, whilst this might not be devastating for America and the world, it's troubling and bad news for those people who are either working without pay (and no guarantee of back-pay) or those who have been told that they have no work to do (and no pay to have), it's bad news for the Republicans who risk being fingered for this mess, and it's bad news for Americas standing in the world who are looking on in some confusion as to how this has been allowed to happen.

AVGWarhawk · 10-01-13, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

It does go further than closed parks and tourist attractions though, just take a look at this thread, and razark. If this thing only lasts a couple of days then the effect will be minimal, but if it goes to twenty-one days like last time then there's going to be a lot of Americans who are going to be eating into their savings, and as such they are going to be reluctant to spend and that will have a knock on effect to businesses. It's not a big knock-on affect, it's not the end of the world for the US economy, but it's something that it could do without.
Then there's the knock-on effect that the shutdown has had on the view of the US government and its members by both the US people and the people of the world, when the last shutdown happened under Clinton it was widely acknowledged to be a factor that helped re-elect Clinton, because the Republicans were seen as being behind the shutdown and it hurt them. This time it's a bit less clear-cut as the Democrats are seen as being partly involved by refusing to negotiate, but nevertheless this will backfire on the Republicans badly, especially if they do go ahead and play chicken with the debt-ceiling in a fortnight.

So, short story long, whilst this might not be devastating for America and the world, it's troubling and bad news for those people who are either working without pay (and no guarantee of back-pay) or those who have been told that they have no work to do (and no pay to have), it's bad news for the Republicans who risk being fingered for this mess, and it's bad news for Americas standing in the world who are looking on in some confusion as to how this has been allowed to happen.

That is what savings accounts are for. Rainy day or issues like this that crop up. I, like many others, have lost jobs and eaten up savings. Or in my case, blew my 401k to stay afloat. Did anyone really care? No sir. People are already reluctant to spend. Nothing much will change in my opinion. Furthermore, gov't employees can work their vacation weeks getting paid plus get the paid vacation on top. Sorry the worker loses a week of vacation but ain't we all lost a vacation at one time for another?

Also, those in the US that do not work for the Fed are faced with much more daunting/different realities than what the Fed worker faces. We are not provided free pension or healthcare program. We save in a 401k. Some are lucky enough to have the employer handle healthcare. Some are not. The Fed gets every holiday off with pay. Many other workers do not. As a Fed worker you are pretty much guaranteed a place of employment until you retire. Other jobs do not afford such great deals. So, take the good with the bad.

And to add, the government has shut down plenty of times. Everyone survived to tell about it.

Jimbuna · 10-01-13, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

They are all looking stupid and childish. The last mid-term elections the Repubs were voted in to stop crazy spending. Here they are doing it and folks are up in arms. This makes zero sense. Then again, what occurs these days anywhere at any time makes no sense.

The unemployment office is open. Checks will go out. Might be a bit delayed but non-the-less open.

One BBC news report reckon it is a small minority of Tea Party anarchists that are the root cause

Aktungbby · 10-01-13, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

One BBC news report reckon it is a small minority of Tea Party anarchists that are the root cause

They thought that in 1775 too!

Ducimus · 10-01-13, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

That's it! I have had enough. They pandacam at the National Zoo has been turned off.

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

The Republicans think they're giving the Democrats a black eye in all of this. What they are actually doing is shooting themselves in the foot...again.
I wish them luck in the mid terms, they'll need it as America votes them out of their cushy jobs. He who laughs last, laughs in the unemployment line.

Oops. No unemployment because the office is closed.

Look away folks. GOP sepaku isn't a pretty sight.

This is what worries me about all this. While I do agree that Obamacare should be opposed, i think what transpired in this incident is..... tactically unwise? I'm no fan of the GOP, but they need to stay in place as a counter to the liberal progressive left. If the GOP ends up making themselves irrelevant though loss of votes on the national stage, what will end up happening is no counterweight to the stop the big government no personal rights nanny state the Democrats are sure to install.

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

One BBC news report reckon it is a small minority of Tea Party anarchists that are the root cause

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

They thought that in 1775 too!

What was the percentage of that minority.. oh yeah, that's right, popular opinion has that minority placed at 3% in 1775.

BossMark · 10-01-13, 08:55 AM

We all know the real reason the government is shutting down.

GTA 5 online is being launched tomorrow.

Coincidence? I think not.

Bilge_Rat · 10-01-13, 08:58 AM

"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake."

-Napoleon.

10-01-13, 07:39 AM	#1
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	The Republicans think they're giving the Democrats a black eye in all of this. What they are actually doing is shooting themselves in the foot...again. I wish them luck in the mid terms, they'll need it as America votes them out of their cushy jobs. He who laughs last, laughs in the unemployment line. Oops. No unemployment because the office is closed. Look away folks. GOP sepaku isn't a pretty sight. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,979 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Fast becoming a laughing stock in the eyes of the world. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

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Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Just go ahead and lock the doors to congress and the senate. Cut off their paychecks and send their worthless backsides home. People are blubbering because they can't go visit Yellowstone for cripes sake! __________________ Tomorrow never comes

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BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	We all know the real reason the government is shutting down. GTA 5 online is being launched tomorrow. Coincidence? I think not. __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

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Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	"Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake." -Napoleon. __________________

10-01-13, 11:24 AM	#6
Mr Quatro Navy Seal Join Date: May 2013 Posts: 6,772 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	What's the hurry? No big deal the vote to extend the federal budget was only going to last till mid November anyway. The biggie problem is the debt ceiling vote due mid October ... misewell wait and vote for both at the same time, right? Debt ceiling: 8 things you need to know but wish you didn't

10-01-13, 12:24 PM	#9
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	It does go further than closed parks and tourist attractions though, just take a look at this thread, and razark. If this thing only lasts a couple of days then the effect will be minimal, but if it goes to twenty-one days like last time then there's going to be a lot of Americans who are going to be eating into their savings, and as such they are going to be reluctant to spend and that will have a knock on effect to businesses. It's not a big knock-on affect, it's not the end of the world for the US economy, but it's something that it could do without. Then there's the knock-on effect that the shutdown has had on the view of the US government and its members by both the US people and the people of the world, when the last shutdown happened under Clinton it was widely acknowledged to be a factor that helped re-elect Clinton, because the Republicans were seen as being behind the shutdown and it hurt them. This time it's a bit less clear-cut as the Democrats are seen as being partly involved by refusing to negotiate, but nevertheless this will backfire on the Republicans badly, especially if they do go ahead and play chicken with the debt-ceiling in a fortnight. So, short story long, whilst this might not be devastating for America and the world, it's troubling and bad news for those people who are either working without pay (and no guarantee of back-pay) or those who have been told that they have no work to do (and no pay to have), it's bad news for the Republicans who risk being fingered for this mess, and it's bad news for Americas standing in the world who are looking on in some confusion as to how this has been allowed to happen.