Government Shutdown

[Oberon]

Sheesh, I can see why so many people dislike Pelosi...she just doesn't shut up, does she?
Dems accusing Reps, Reps accusing Dems...it'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

[the_tyrant]

It took Hannibal’s greatest victory to force the Roman government to adopt a Fabian strategy. It would take a government shutdown for the US government to understand that they need to cut spending.
Sometimes the amputation is needed, and only an extreme situation would make it happen.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Sheesh, I can see why so many people dislike Pelosi...she just doesn't shut up, does she?
Dems accusing Reps, Reps accusing Dems...it'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

Easy, I've had to sit in front of her office; The Thatcher of American politics in the predominantly Y chromosome soup of a dysfunctional Congress. Senator Feinstein is worse but at least was a mayor with some practical gravitas under her belt. To a historian (in theory) like myself the unseen worms' eye view is a wondrous thing... And then there's Barbara Lee, Dem. from across the bay...

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

It took Hannibal’s greatest victory to force the Roman government to adopt a Fabian strategy. It would take a government shutdown for the US government to understand that they need to cut spending.
Sometimes the amputation is needed, and only an extreme situation would make it happen.

I hope that something is taken away from this mess, that both sides learn and understand that people want compromise not confrontation.
I suspect that we will learn the answer to this within a fortnight when the debt ceiling bill comes around, and see if people can resist the temptation to bring a Christmas list to the House/Senate and crash the damn thing.

I think that it is safe to say that the rest of the world is looking on at this with a lot of confusion and some consternation, I must admit that I am, and I think this article speaks for some of us from outside of America:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24342521

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Easy, I've had to sit in front of her office; The Thatcher of American politics in the predominantly Y chromosome soup of a dysfunctional Congress. Senator Feinstein is worse but at least was a mayor with some practical gravitas under her belt. To a historian (in theory) like myself the unseen worms' eye view is a wondrous thing...

Oh, she's a force of nature, no doubting that, but I think she needs to work on her aim and conservation of fire, rather than the liberal application of firepower in a sweeping arc.

[Oberon]

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

It took Hannibal’s greatest victory to force the Roman government to adopt a Fabian strategy. It would take a government shutdown for the US government to understand that they need to cut spending.
Sometimes the amputation is needed, and only an extreme situation would make it happen.

Scipio would argue otherwise

[Red October1984]

Ok...I'm on the White House Email List.

I just got this email...

If the United States government shuts down tonight and our economy takes a hit, it will be because House Republicans let it happen.

Right now, there's a bill sitting in the House that funds the government for a few more weeks. It doesn't demand the repeal or delay of the health care law, or deny women access to birth control, or include any other failed, partisan proposals. It funds the government. That's it. And if Republican leadership allowed a simple yes or no vote on this bill -- like the Senate has -- it would get enough support from members of both parties to pass.

Instead, the government that these Republicans were elected to fund will close down and that will hurt our economy. Americans across the country won't be allowed to show up for work. Paychecks could be delayed, meaning some folks will have to cut back on groceries or maybe even not pay a few bills. Businesses will have fewer customers. Veterans won't get services they rely on -- and it will put benefits for seniors at risk.

Even though they've already voted over 40 times to defund or delay the health care law, this group of Republicans in Congress is so obsessed with the idea of sabotaging Obamacare that they're willing to take the economy hostage to do it.

Take a look at how this shutdown will affect millions of Americans -- and then make sure you share it so other folks know, too.

President Obama has said time and time again that he's willing to work with folks on both sides of the aisle to grow our economy and even improve the health care law. But using the threat of government shutdown or defaulting on the bills our country owes is reckless and irresponsible.

In fact, shutting down the government won't stop Obamacare. The Health Insurance Marketplace will still open for business starting tomorrow, without delay.

Washington needs to stop manufacturing crises and focus on the issues that matter: creating jobs and building a strong middle class. Taking our economy over the cliff just to score political points isn't fair to the millions of Americans who show up every day to work and do their jobs. It’s time for Congress to do its job.

Make sure you know exactly who this shutdown is directly affecting and then pass it on.

Thanks,

David

David Simas
Deputy Senior Advisor
The White House
@Simas44

P.S. -- You'll still be able to sign up for affordable health insurance on HealthCare.gov starting tomorrow, shutdown or no shutdown.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

Ok...I'm on the White House Email List.

I just got this email...

As of midnight, I'm not allowed to check my email. Time to grab a beer and some sleep. I've got to get up early so they can send me home when I get to work.

[eddie]

I'm ashamed of what we are supposed to have as a govt in DC! They are as worthless as the day is long! Would love to take them all to the Anacostia bridge around 1 AM, and see how long they last! The Gang Bangers down there would take care of the whole bunch, and we could elect a whole new group!

I think that it is safe to say that the rest of the world is looking on at this with a lot of confusion and some consternation, I must admit that I am, and I think this article speaks for some of us from outside of America:

I found this snippet off your link.
Since your preceding post mentioned the Pelosi I thought it rather fitting.



2) Thought experiment. Let's suppose it's the fall of 2005. Suppose George W. Bush has been reelected, as he was in real life. Let's suppose, also as in reality, the Senate remained in Republican hands. But then suppose that Nancy Pelosi and her Democrats had already won control of the House, rather than doing so two years later. So suppose that the lineup as of 2005 had been:

• Reelected Republican president;
• The president's Republican party retaining control of the Senate; and
• Democrats controlling only one chamber, the House.

Then suppose further that Pelosi's newly empowered House Democrats announced that unless George W. Bush agreed to reverse the sweeping tax cuts that had been the signature legislative achievement of his first term, they would refuse to pass a budget so that the federal government could operate, and would threaten a default on U.S. sovereign debt. Alternatively, that unless Bush immediately withdrew from Iraq, federal government funding would cease and the debt ceiling would be frozen.

In this imagined world, I contend:

• "respectable" opinion would be all over Pelosi and the Democrats for their "shrill," "extreme" demands, especially given their lack of broad electoral mandate;
• hand-wringing editorials would point out that if you want to change policy, there's an established route to do so, which involves passing new bills and getting them signed into law, rather than issuing "otherwise we blow up the government" ultimatums;
• no one would be saying that the "grownups in the room" had to resolve the crisis by giving away, say, half of the president's tax cuts. (Even though, to my taste, that would have been a positive step.)

The circumstances are the mirror image now. A party that within the past year has:

• lost the presidency by 5 million votes;
• lost the Senate by a total of 10 million votes;
• held onto control of the House through favorable districting, while losing the overall House vote by 1.7 million nationwide

... is nonetheless dictating terms to the rest of the government. This would have been called extreme and unreasonable under an imagined Nancy Pelosi House in 2005. It is extreme and unreasonable now.

[TarJak]

How it's being reported herehttp://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-01/us-government-in-shutdown-after-dispute-over-obamacare/4991400

[AVGWarhawk]

Let it shut down. The parks will be closed. Tax auditing will stop. Civilian fed employees stay home. A few paychecks delayed. Did I miss anything? The govt has shut down before and for lesser reasons as this. Everyone survived.

[mookiemookie]

It goes a little deeper than just "oh, well I guess we can't go to Yellowstone this weekend." One of the reasons S&P gave when they lowered the U.S.'s credit rating was "political brinksmanship of recent months highlights what we see as America's governance and policymaking becoming less stable, less effective, and less predictable than what we previously believed."

The shutdown has real lasting economic effects. Damn them all for playing party politics with people's lives. We're nothing more than pawns to them. This is a national embarrassment.

In Canada, a failed national budget immediately causes Parliament to be dissolved and a federal election to be called. That would be a great thing to implement here.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, it really does not go deeper than that. Markets react certainly. If I'm not mistaken, after the last shut down, the markets increased 10% after the on switch was hit. This only demonstrates the dysfunctional nature of the douche bags running the asylum. This is a indicator that term limits need to be addressed.