Government Shutdown

Armistead · 09-30-13, 09:28 AM

Will it happen?

About 13 hours left..........

http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/23/politi...ife/index.html

Herr-Berbunch · 09-30-13, 09:46 AM

The link makes all the difference.

AVGWarhawk · 09-30-13, 09:49 AM

They shut for snow days. Meh, go ahead. Shut'er down.

Betonov · 09-30-13, 09:51 AM

Maybe it will be like it is with us, every time our government takes a vacation, the economy recovers

Bloody hell, my cousin will be traveling to Montana on wendsday, any thoughts on it from the natives ???

Jimbuna · 09-30-13, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

They shut for snow days. Meh, go ahead. Shut'er down.

Precisely

Ducimus · 09-30-13, 10:57 AM

I think a shutdown is way overrated. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think congress gets paid, which i would conjecture is the biggest reason they make such a big deal out of it, aside from exploiting an opportunity to paint the opposing side into a corner.

EDIT:
After a bit of reading, it appears both congress and the white house will continue to draw checks. What a bummer. None of those bums should be getting paid IMO.

Armistead · 09-30-13, 12:18 PM

Many of the national parks get very busy during the fall season with leaves turning. I know several near here would be closed. It also cost about 1 billion just to shut govt. down. I don't really care, they waste billions like pennies.

Sad, congress gets paid, soldiers would get IOU's to redeem later.

razark · 09-30-13, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

After a bit of reading, it appears both congress and the white house will continue to draw checks. What a bummer. None of those bums should be getting paid IMO.

Lucky them. The latest email I got said "Your company will probably let you use your vacation time if you are determined to be in a non-essential position."

As long as this doesn't last more than two and a half weeks, it's all good. Maybe. I really hope the kids don't get sick later this year.

Tchocky · 09-30-13, 06:22 PM

Massive confusion in this thread of a government shutdown with a failure to lift the debt ceiling.

They are very different things with very different results.

Government has shut down seventeen times. Debt ceiling has always been raised.

Wolferz · 09-30-13, 07:17 PM

They (our elected leaders) must see themselves the way the banksters see themselves... "Too big to fail" But fail they will. The government will go down like a drogue stone when the rope finally breaks and all their bankster buddies will get sucked into the vortex with them when the tax revenues can no longer pay the interest on the debt. Jacking up the debt ceiling and propping it up with skinny little poles will not solve the problem... ever. But they continue to add more drainage of the treasury with new departments and agencies and more and more of the same old song and dance.

The saddest part is their arrogance in thinking that the debt will just magically disappear as long as they pay the interest on it. I wonder what the interest payment is on 17.5 trillion. If I ran my personal finances they way the government runs the public trust, I'd be broke for the next thousand years.
We lost way too many jobs and the tax revenues went with them.
I can't pay my debts with vapor money and neither can they.

Armistead · 09-30-13, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

They (our elected leaders) must see themselves the way the banksters see themselves... "Too big to fail" But fail they will. The government will go down like a drogue stone when the rope finally breaks and all their bankster buddies will get sucked into the vortex with them when the tax revenues can no longer pay the interest on the debt. Jacking up the debt ceiling and propping it up with skinny little poles will not solve the problem... ever. But they continue to add more drainage of the treasury with new departments and agencies and more and more of the same old song and dance.

The saddest part is their arrogance in thinking that the debt will just magically disappear as long as they pay the interest on it. I wonder what the interest payment is on 17.5 trillion. If I ran my personal finances they way the government runs the public trust, I'd be broke for the next thousand years.
We lost way too many jobs and the tax revenues went with them.
I can't pay my debts with vapor money and neither can they.

They don't care, they'll still get paid, they'll still get benefits for life and can work for any global corporation. The people that will get hurt are the middle class and poor. Every study I've seen says in the next 20 years about 10% of people/corps will hold 80-90 of all real wealth.

If you ride around, things don't look that bad, people in nice houses, cars, etc, but the majority of them really own nothing, just mass loads of debt. I saw one report that 75% of Americans are one crisis away from utter poverty.

Every serious economist agrees a large crisis is coming, because we continue to kick the can down the road.

Oberon · 09-30-13, 10:35 PM

Sheesh, I can see why so many people dislike Pelosi...she just doesn't shut up, does she?

Dems accusing Reps, Reps accusing Dems...it'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

Aktungbby · 09-30-13, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

Sheesh, I can see why so many people dislike Pelosi...she just doesn't shut up, does she?

Dems accusing Reps, Reps accusing Dems...it'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

Easy, I've had to sit in front of her office; The Thatcher of American politics in the predominantly Y chromosome soup of a dysfunctional Congress. Senator Feinstein is worse but at least was a mayor with some practical gravitas under her belt. To a historian (in theory) like myself the unseen worms' eye view is a wondrous thing... And then there's Barbara Lee, Dem. from across the bay...

the_tyrant · 09-30-13, 10:38 PM

It took Hannibal’s greatest victory to force the Roman government to adopt a Fabian strategy. It would take a government shutdown for the US government to understand that they need to cut spending.
Sometimes the amputation is needed, and only an extreme situation would make it happen.

Oberon · 09-30-13, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by the_tyrant

It took Hannibal’s greatest victory to force the Roman government to adopt a Fabian strategy. It would take a government shutdown for the US government to understand that they need to cut spending.
Sometimes the amputation is needed, and only an extreme situation would make it happen.

I hope that something is taken away from this mess, that both sides learn and understand that people want compromise not confrontation.
I suspect that we will learn the answer to this within a fortnight when the debt ceiling bill comes around, and see if people can resist the temptation to bring a Christmas list to the House/Senate and crash the damn thing.

I think that it is safe to say that the rest of the world is looking on at this with a lot of confusion and some consternation, I must admit that I am, and I think this article speaks for some of us from outside of America:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-24342521

09-30-13, 09:28 AM	#1
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Government Shutdown Will it happen? About 13 hours left.......... http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/23/politi...ife/index.html __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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09-30-13, 10:57 AM	#6
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think a shutdown is way overrated. Unless I'm mistaken, I don't think congress gets paid, which i would conjecture is the biggest reason they make such a big deal out of it, aside from exploiting an opportunity to paint the opposing side into a corner. EDIT: After a bit of reading, it appears both congress and the white house will continue to draw checks. What a bummer. None of those bums should be getting paid IMO. Last edited by Ducimus; 09-30-13 at 11:22 AM.

09-30-13, 12:18 PM	#7
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	Many of the national parks get very busy during the fall season with leaves turning. I know several near here would be closed. It also cost about 1 billion just to shut govt. down. I don't really care, they waste billions like pennies. Sad, congress gets paid, soldiers would get IOU's to redeem later. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

09-30-13, 09:51 AM	#4
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	Maybe it will be like it is with us, every time our government takes a vacation, the economy recovers Bloody hell, my cousin will be traveling to Montana on wendsday, any thoughts on it from the natives ???

09-30-13, 06:22 PM	#9
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Massive confusion in this thread of a government shutdown with a failure to lift the debt ceiling. They are very different things with very different results. Government has shut down seventeen times. Debt ceiling has always been raised. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

09-30-13, 07:17 PM	#10
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	They (our elected leaders) must see themselves the way the banksters see themselves... "Too big to fail" But fail they will. The government will go down like a drogue stone when the rope finally breaks and all their bankster buddies will get sucked into the vortex with them when the tax revenues can no longer pay the interest on the debt. Jacking up the debt ceiling and propping it up with skinny little poles will not solve the problem... ever. But they continue to add more drainage of the treasury with new departments and agencies and more and more of the same old song and dance. The saddest part is their arrogance in thinking that the debt will just magically disappear as long as they pay the interest on it. I wonder what the interest payment is on 17.5 trillion. If I ran my personal finances they way the government runs the public trust, I'd be broke for the next thousand years. We lost way too many jobs and the tax revenues went with them. I can't pay my debts with vapor money and neither can they. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

09-30-13, 10:35 PM	#12
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Sheesh, I can see why so many people dislike Pelosi...she just doesn't shut up, does she? Dems accusing Reps, Reps accusing Dems...it'd be funny if it wasn't so bloody tragic.

09-30-13, 10:38 PM	#14
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	It took Hannibal’s greatest victory to force the Roman government to adopt a Fabian strategy. It would take a government shutdown for the US government to understand that they need to cut spending. Sometimes the amputation is needed, and only an extreme situation would make it happen. __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us