Washington Times:The Civil War of 2016

Ducimus · 09-27-13, 08:27 AM

I'm thinking the article is intended to
a.) Make the tea party look bad.
b.) Further stoke the fires of polarization for ratings.

As for any civil war, I think the conditions are ripe enough to make it plausible, but at the same time highly unlikely because:

a.) Presidential term limits. Most rational people would wait and see.

b.) The government won't allow it. It will do whatever it takes to maintain status quo. Any person, or groups of persons, considered "rabble rousers" will encounter some very effective "tools" in discrediting and quieting them before they can do anything meaningful or effective.

AVGWarhawk · 09-27-13, 08:34 AM

I think the country is getting more divided. Civil war? Highly unlikely.

Oberon · 09-27-13, 08:44 AM

Armistead · 09-27-13, 08:52 AM

I read two paragraphs, stupid. This country isn't close to a CW and certainly no group could take or hold a city.

Sure, we'll probably see chaos down the road if the economy goes under in a big way, but no CW.

Ducimus · 09-27-13, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I think the country is getting more divided. Civil war? Highly unlikely.

I think the country is definately becoming more divided, or polarized. I know I have become polarized lately. I used to not care and was indifferent, now I find i harbor a seething hatred for the left. Though I am unsure if it is the extreme left that is the object of my ire, or just the left in general. Haven't figured that out yet. I do know that I see the liberal progressive movement as a dangerous ideology that will erode our liberties in preference for a larger, more reaching government until any 1984 metaphor's are an undeniable cold hard reality.

Bubblehead1980 · 09-27-13, 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I think the country is definately becoming more divided, or polarized. I know I have become polarized lately. I used to not care and was indifferent, now I find i harbor a seething hatred for the left. Though I am unsure if it is the extreme left that is the object of my ire, or just the left in general. Haven't figured that out yet. I do know that I see the liberal progressive movement as a dangerous ideology that will erode our liberties in preference for a larger, more reaching government until any 1984 metaphor's are an undeniable cold hard reality.

Exactly."Progressivism" , which is rooted in marxism to be honest, is the most dangerous ideological force around today.

TarJak · 09-27-13, 09:30 AM

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Exactly."Progressivism" , which is rooted in marxism to be honest, is the most dangerous ideological force around today.

I'd say stupidity is a far greater danger.

Platapus · 09-27-13, 09:35 AM

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I'd say stupidity is a far greater danger.

It is at least more widely spread

Betonov · 09-27-13, 09:48 AM

It's divided among smaller groups, not entire states. I know, same cow pile division here in the old country.

The way I see it, if a CW will erupt in the US, the first 2 floors of an apartment complex will raise the confederate flag, while 3, 4, 6 and 8 floors will remain in the Union and 5 and 7th floors will want to join Canada. The penthouse will be invaded by Russia.

AVGWarhawk · 09-27-13, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I think the country is definately becoming more divided, or polarized. I know I have become polarized lately. I used to not care and was indifferent, now I find i harbor a seething hatred for the left. Though I am unsure if it is the extreme left that is the object of my ire, or just the left in general. Haven't figured that out yet. I do know that I see the liberal progressive movement as a dangerous ideology that will erode our liberties in preference for a larger, more reaching government until any 1984 metaphor's are an undeniable cold hard reality.

I see a trend that will not stop in the near future. The trend of the dependent on the government. With each new bill comes a new entitlement. With each new bill comes more votes for the same group creating and passing these bills without a care for anything other than pandering for votes in the next election. It is not about for the good of the people anymore. It is for the good of careers of those signing bills that they have yet to read. IMO, DC is wildly out of control and ignoring any of the parchment of rules and regulations drafted over 100 years ago. Because, well, they know better.

Jimbuna · 09-27-13, 09:54 AM

I'm beginning to see a different type of trend.

AVGWarhawk · 09-27-13, 10:41 AM

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I'm beginning to see a different type of trend.

That comes with age, Jim. Usually Gas-x and a bland diet helps.

Jimbuna · 09-27-13, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

That comes with age, Jim. Usually Gas-x and a bland diet helps.

Eye bleach is much more effective I reckon.

Ducimus · 09-27-13, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I see a trend that will not stop in the near future. The trend of the dependent on the government. With each new bill comes a new entitlement.

While I can't come up with specific examples off the top of my head, I do agree with you. It's been my general impression that there's a lot of folks out there that have some odd sense of entitlement, and, seem unwilling, or unable to take personal responsibility. It's always someone else's fault, or someone else's job.

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With each new bill comes more votes for the same group creating and passing these bills without a care for anything other than pandering for votes in the next election. It is not about for the good of the people anymore. It is for the good of careers of those signing bills that they have yet to read.

I really think we need congressional term limits. There should be no such thing as a professional politician. Senators like Fienstien and McCain, should not exist.

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IMO, DC is wildly out of control and ignoring any of the parchment of rules and regulations drafted over 100 years ago. Because, well, they know better.

Here's a thought. These people, these professional politicians, these people who are supposed to be our representatives but really aren't, have made it their lifetime career choice to know how to tap dance around the laws of the land. They know all the loop holes and how to skirt around the law when they decide it's inconvenient to whatever agenda they are pursing.

Armistead · 09-27-13, 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I think the country is definately becoming more divided, or polarized. I know I have become polarized lately. I used to not care and was indifferent, now I find i harbor a seething hatred for the left. Though I am unsure if it is the extreme left that is the object of my ire, or just the left in general. Haven't figured that out yet. I do know that I see the liberal progressive movement as a dangerous ideology that will erode our liberties in preference for a larger, more reaching government until any 1984 metaphor's are an undeniable cold hard reality.

Govt will never do the right thing, if they did, they would lose elections.

I had the Dems, but the GOP is no better.

09-27-13, 08:34 AM	#2
AVGWarhawk Lucky Jack Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In a 1954 Buick. Posts: 28,303 Downloads: 90 Uploads: 0	I think the country is getting more divided. Civil war? Highly unlikely. __________________ “You're painfully alive in a drugged and dying culture.” ― Richard Yates, Revolutionary Road

09-27-13, 08:52 AM	#4
Armistead Rear Admiral Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: on the Dan Posts: 10,880 Downloads: 364 Uploads: 0	I read two paragraphs, stupid. This country isn't close to a CW and certainly no group could take or hold a city. Sure, we'll probably see chaos down the road if the economy goes under in a big way, but no CW. __________________ You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.

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Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,380 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	I'm beginning to see a different type of trend. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

09-27-13, 08:27 AM	#1
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I'm thinking the article is intended to a.) Make the tea party look bad. b.) Further stoke the fires of polarization for ratings. As for any civil war, I think the conditions are ripe enough to make it plausible, but at the same time highly unlikely because: a.) Presidential term limits. Most rational people would wait and see. b.) The government won't allow it. It will do whatever it takes to maintain status quo. Any person, or groups of persons, considered "rabble rousers" will encounter some very effective "tools" in discrediting and quieting them before they can do anything meaningful or effective.

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09-27-13, 09:48 AM	#9
Betonov Navy Seal Join Date: May 2009 Location: Slovenia Posts: 8,647 Downloads: 26 Uploads: 0	It's divided among smaller groups, not entire states. I know, same cow pile division here in the old country. The way I see it, if a CW will erupt in the US, the first 2 floors of an apartment complex will raise the confederate flag, while 3, 4, 6 and 8 floors will remain in the Union and 5 and 7th floors will want to join Canada. The penthouse will be invaded by Russia.