Conspiracies, sheeple, the universe and everything

[Dowly]

Oh there was no need to edit it out.

[HunterICX]

HunterICX

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Keep it open i say.

That way all this clap trap and nonsense hopefully doesn't stain any other threads (too much) and stays in 1 central place.

Here.

Any sane person will stay away.

That is the general plan....unless it turns nasty.

[Dread Knot]

9/11 conspiracy theories are never going to completely fade away, even though they have largely been debunked in quite some detail. There are always going to new people unfamiliar with the arguments buying into it, as well as a constant stream of people growing out of it. At the center there will always be a hard core group of cynics and cranks who will use it as a nice steady source of income and notoriety. Much like the JFK assassination, the Moon Hoax, the Illuminati, they are self-perpetuating organisms. About the only conspiracy theories that seem to die are the ones with a built-in expiration date. Last year's 2012 Mayan end of the world stupidity being a good example. I hope nobody bought any tickets on the giant Space Ark.

Anyway, here's a decent objective source for debunking 911 with no pejoratives that I can see.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/9/11_conspiracy_theories

[mapuc]

I say let it be open. It's very interesting to read other members standpoint regarding 9/11.

Here's another thought that I have, after have read some of the post in this thread. As some wrote, it had to be a huge operation to get all this things together and in would involved hundred of people to get such an operation on it's feet.

That means that Al-Quada is much bigger and a lot better than I've been reading and heard( they say they are nothing more than a bunch of amateurs).

Markus

[Safe-Keeper]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Here's another thought that I have, after have read some of the post in this thread. As some wrote, it had to be a huge operation to get all this things together and in would involved hundred of people to get such an operation on it's feet.

Let's see now. An "inside job" involving the government's planning and execution of a terrorist attack killing 3000 Americans, which is then pinned on a Middle Eastern terrorist group, without anyone involved blowing the whistle, and without anyone but a tiny number of laymen on the Internet busting them?

Firstly, "hundreds of people" is a massive understatement. Secondly, even in authoritarian nations such as China it would be very hard to keep under wraps for even a very short time. Even starting to discuss or plan such an operation without a single person going to the media would be next to impossible, not to mention keeping it secret for 12 years. In the opening hours of the the Cuban missile crisis, the US media came very close to publicising the news of rockets in Cuba before the official Presidential announcement, despite the administration's best efforts to keep it under wraps. In more recent times, we have scandals like Assange and Snowden. Face it, 9/11 couldn't have been an "inside job".

Just hijacking airplanes in a country with rather lax security and with crews instructed to submit to hijackers rather than fight, for then to fly those planes into skyscrapers and the Pentagon? Probably something just about anyone could do with a little planning.

That means that Al-Quada is much bigger and a lot better than I've been reading and heard

Yes, Al-Qaida is indeed bigger than a few hundred people. They apparently number 6-10 000 in Syria alone. Now you know.

( they say they are nothing more than a bunch of amateurs).

Do they? Source?

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Let's just give it a break for one day, eh lads?

No matter if the planes were empty, full or drones, people still died on this day, so let's just give it a rest for today and carry on again tomorrow.

I disagree. Every day we discuss a topic or history is a day many people died, massacres or attacks took place. If it's disrespectfull to the relatives of the plane passengers to say "nobody in those aircrafts died" is another topic, discussing morales.(I think so, but it's a kick to their faces any day, not only on 9/11, but it's only my personal opinion)
However the disadvantages of (voluntary) censorship always outweigh its benefits - no matter how morally the censor's opinions may be.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by HunterICX

HunterICX

Now I know the truth, the whole truth and nothing but it!
The real Daffy Duck had been institutionalized in the late 30s. All we have been fed by the mainstream media afterwards is a lie. They want to cover that Duffy is still a political prisoner, rotting in some hospital, tortured and imprisoned since more than 70 years.

Free Duffy! Don't believe their lies!

[Smaragdadler]

The Mao Tse Tung Experience - Irregular Times 1991

you wake up ev'ry morning, you want to see reality, you don't believe in god
you're really watching tv, but now it's telling you, what's really bad, what's really good
you want to have more sureness, you want to leave your unconscious mind
but no school and no preacher, just lookin' through irregular times, irregular times

you're tryin' ev'ry studies, with reading and with learning and with asking all the time
no but, no friend, no video, no disco kinda appease your flaws of knowledge in your mind
you want to have more sureness, you want to leave your unconscious mind
but no school and no preacher, just lookin' through irregular times, irregular times

you wake up ev'ry morning, you want to see reality, but don't believe in god
you're really watching tv, but now it's telling you, what's really bad, what's really good
you want to have more sureness, you want to leave your unconscious mind
but no school and no preacher, just lookin' through irregular times, irregular times

you're tryin' ev'ry studies, with reading and with learning and with asking all the time
no but, no friend, no video, no disco kinda appease your flaws of knowledge in your mind
you want to have more sureness, you want to leave your unconscious mind
but no school and no preacher, just lookin' through irregular times, irregular times

you're tryin' ev'ry studies, you're reading and you're learning and you're asking all the time
no but, no friend, no video, no disco kinda appease your flaws of knowledge on your mind
you want to have more sureness, you want to leave your unconscious mind
but no school and no preacher, just lookin' through irregular times, irregular times

you wake up ev'ry morning, you want to see reality, you don't believe in god
you're really watching tv, but now it's telling you, what's really bad, what's really good
you want to have more sureness, you want to leave your unconscious mind
but no, I am no preacher, just lookin' through irregular times, irregular times

Watch:

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[Safe-Keeper]

[Random song]

...your point being?

[Smaragdadler]

...That there is no point.

http://gizadeathstar.com/

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by MH

This whole conspiracy looks worse than a low budget porn movie.

You wrote "low budget porn movie" like it was a bad thing.

[Platapus]

I do wish people would make up their minds about the US government.

Which is it?

1. The government is incompetent and unable to run even the simplest project without mucking it up, nor is the government able to keep a single secret.. uh.. well.. secret.

or

2. The government is all powerful and capable to planning, implementing, covering up massive conspiracies involving thousands of people (from different political viewpoints) among scores of different agencies (and sometimes international organizations) and keeping it quiet for decades.

Ya really can't have it both ways.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Platapus

You wrote "low budget porn movie" like it was a bad thing.

Hell a simple interwebs search will prove that true amature porn is the best and it costs nothing.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Hell a simple interwebs search will prove that true amature porn is the best and it costs nothing.

This is true.

And there's a lot of "romantic porn" out there these days, which is waaaay better
than the "mainstream" crap.