RAF Typhoons in near clash with Turkish F-16's

[TLAM Strike]

Looks like two Syrian Su-24s tested the defenses around Cyprus and got chased off by the RAF.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...esting-2259425

[CaptainMattJ.]

Well the turkish block 50/52 F-16s are more than a match for a typhoon. Not to mention the fact that assuming the typhoons came out initially on top, the turks have hundreds of ready aircraft. It would've been both a disaster for the RAF and a disaster for overall relations.

[Stealhead]

More than a match for a Typhoon? Perhaps the WWII aircraft with that same name made by Hawker but the Typhoon made by Eurofighter Fighter aircraft GmbH? No.

The Typhoon has quite a few distinct advantages.

We are talking a flight of aircraft(4 UK) vs. an element(2 TUR) as well the fact that Turkey has many other aircraft has little relevance in the direct equation.

It would not have come to that anyway one or the other would have figured the error and nothing would have happened.

But 4 Typhoons vs. 2 F-16C/D block 50/52 much would have to be in the favor of the Vipers if all where fully intent on combat and it was on like Donkey Kong for them to light up and take down 4 Typhoons
and not suffer any lose them selves or even win the engagement at all.For starters the Typhoons have a much greater engagement range.A real 4 vs 2 the Vipers best bet would be to break contact and run for home.

The Viper is a good aircraft but against something like a Typhoon it would be out of its element.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

More than a match for a Typhoon? Perhaps the WWII aircraft with that same name made by Hawker but the Typhoon made by Eurofighter Fighter aircraft GmbH? No.

The Typhoon has quite a few distinct advantages.

We are talking a flight of aircraft(4 UK) vs. an element(2 TUR) as well the fact that Turkey has many other aircraft has little relevance in the direct equation.

It would not have come to that anyway one or the other would have figured the error and nothing would have happened.

But 4 Typhoons vs. 2 F-16C/D block 50/52 much would have to be in the favor of the Vipers if all where fully intent on combat and it was on like Donkey Kong for them to light up and take down 4 Typhoons
and not suffer any lose them selves or even win the engagement at all.For starters the Typhoons have a much greater engagement range.A real 4 vs 2 the Vipers best bet would be to break contact and run for home.

The Viper is a good aircraft but against something like a Typhoon it would be out of its element.

I have to agree and add that since Akrotiri is currently overflowing with US and French aircraft also, any future engagement would bring a seriously heavy response.

[Oberon]

The Turks aren't stupid, they've got enough on their hands with Assad, this was a storm in a tea cup really. Although the Syrians probing Cypress is an interesting turn. Hope it's not in preparation for Assad doing something stupid because an attack on an RAF base, no matter who is using it, would likely drag us into any war with Syria.

In regards to the F-16 vs Eurofighter...well...



Although to be fair, exercise kills are pretty worthless unless the ROE is known, although this is a very interesting picture:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/mt/flightglobalweb/blogs//the-dewline/ea18g_f22kill.jpg

[Herr-Berbunch]

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[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Herr-Berbunch

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[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Oberon

The Turks aren't stupid, they've got enough on their hands with Assad, this was a storm in a tea cup really. Although the Syrians probing Cypress is an interesting turn. Hope it's not in preparation for Assad doing something stupid because an attack on an RAF base, no matter who is using it, would likely drag us into any war with Syria.

In regards to the F-16 vs Eurofighter...well...



Although to be fair, exercise kills are pretty worthless unless the ROE is known, although this is a very interesting picture:
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/mt/flightglobalweb/blogs//the-dewline/ea18g_f22kill.jpg

It would have been a good example of facing a different platform.Still Going with the tangibles the EF Typhoon has higher agility and it also has the infrared sensor which gives them a big AOA advantage with IR missiles.The Turkish F-16s do not have this and they may not even have been the latest fully kitted out block 50/52 models either.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

It would have been a good example of facing a different platform.Still Going with the tangibles the EF Typhoon has higher agility and it also has the infrared sensor which gives them a big AOA advantage with IR missiles.The Turkish F-16s do not have this and they may not even have been the latest fully kitted out block 50/52 models either.

Agreed....so at least one up to the RAF but in reality....it won't happen.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Looks like two Syrian Su-24s tested the defenses around Cyprus and got chased off by the RAF.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...esting-2259425

A risky tactic but 14 miles air exclusion zone doesn't sound like a lot.

Any idea what stand-off weapons (if any) and their ranges?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

A risky tactic but 14 miles air exclusion zone doesn't sound like a lot.

Any idea what stand-off weapons (if any) and their ranges?

The Su-24 can carry Russian missiles with ranges of 60 miles or greater. They can carry AS-9, AS-11, and AS-17.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The Su-24 can carry Russian missiles with ranges of 60 miles or greater. They can carry AS-9, AS-11, and AS-17.

The 14 mile exclusion zone is of little significance then