Syria conflict: 'Chemical attacks kill hundreds'

[MH]

The point is, Camorons main argument (which mimics that from US/FR/DE admins amongst several others) is that the weapons are too big and/or complex for the FSA+associates to have in their arsenal. I suppose they would ask us to trust their intelligence about exactly what these 'rebels' capabilities and equipment are. Maybe they are just looking at their receipts..

This claim is nonsense but I hardly believe it is the main evidence.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by MH

This claim is nonsense but I hardly believe it is the main evidence.

Would you like to tell me what Camorons main argument is then?

The evidence is:

1) Sarin was used, several times but this last one was significantly bigger

2) Satellite and trajectory analysis showing the origin of the rocket in a government controlled area as well as the target being rebel controlled.

3) Radio intercepts apparently indicating someone in Assads chain of command.

4) Figures of deaths that show remarkable inconsistency between nations.

I would like to know against those points;

1) Since the UN have yet to report, where did that evidence came from exactly? I would argue that due to the length of the investigation, it can not be as thorough and therefore reliable as the UN report. Especially since the Russian evidence submitted many months ago indicating homemade Sarin being smuggled in to the rebels is every bit as convincing. It is certainly more thorough.

2) Is there reasonable doubt that 'rebels' or their 'associates' may perform special operations inside government controlled territory?

3) Unverifiable, without weeks of voice analysis, and the original voice.

4) Again sources, such is the inconsistency.

Also if Assad has plenty of these weapons is there not a chance that some may have been stolen or captured by the rebels?

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

Since the UN have yet to report, where did that evidence came from exactly? I would argue that due to the length of the investigation, it can not be as thorough and therefore reliable as the UN report.

IIRC,
The UN report has 1 objective:
To show that Chemical weapons were used.
Not who used them.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

IIRC,
The UN report has 1 objective:
To show that Chemical weapons were used.
Not who used them.

Yes I know. The report will i suspect summarise a detailed analysis of the exact chemical makeup however, which could indicate the method of production...

[Feuer Frei!]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

which could indicate the method of production...

Which may show that it was produced in another country and imported.
So, back to square one.

Syria doesn’t yet appear to have the capacity to produce the weapons entirely on its own.

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

Which may show that it was produced in another country and imported.
So, back to square one.

Syria doesn’t yet appear to have the capacity to produce the weapons entirely on its own.

Alternatively it may show the chemicals were not made by or for military industry. Which would cast serious doubts on official responsibility.

[Feuer Frei!]

Let's quickly break down the UN Weapons Team Inspection.

Firstly, it is knowledge now that the inspections were limited.

An hour and a half was all that was spent at the impact sites.

No houses were visited whilst there, they were asked to exhume bodies by the local doctor but they refused.

After that one and a half hours, they were ordered to evac asap.

There was another 6 sites which they could not visit.

Did the Syrian government order them out? Or was it the UN?
No one knows.

To say that the inspection was incomplete is an understatement.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by Dowly

If you want to continue this, may I suggest you post your response to this thread:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=205143

No need to clutter this one.

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Oh God, let's not do this.

The Pengu abides!

Though I didn't want to revive a clear attempt of drive-by-trolling, so I have created a new one to continue the discussion here: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=207224

[August]

This is a copy of the letter I just wrote to my senator:

Senator Warren,
I want you to oppose the Presidents attempt to get our country involved in yet another middle eastern war. Not just pull a Markey by refusing to do your job but actively oppose it.

The fact is that we can't eliminate Assads chemical weapons by air strikes alone and sending in ground troops is not and should not be considered a valid option (so far anyways). Unless you can accomplish something of value you should not attack. There is too much to risk for escalation to attack for just symbolic purposes.

Also two important words you should remember here Professor: "Collateral Damage".

If you strike there WILL be civilians injured and killed and footage of their bodies WILL be gleefully broadcast around the world by our enemies. Any politician who votes for intervention is definitely going to have this footage used against them the next time they run for reelection. If you automatically support the administration in this, like you have slavishly done since you gained office, you can expect to be labeled as a war monger and rightfully so. I don't think you really want to be dealing with pictures of dead civilians that you had authorized killing in when you run again in 2018.

This isn't party politics as usual. It's a chance to show that you vote based on the issues instead of the party line.


Sincerely,

Don't know if will help but it can't hurt.

[Ducimus]

So much speculation, so little that anyone can do. BO is gonna do what he wants regardless. Though i do wonder if he'll push ahead without congress approval that he asked for or not. Might be political suicide, but hes a lame duck anyway.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by August

This is a copy of the letter I just wrote to my senator:

Finally, a citizen doing what needs to be done. Good on ya