I was accused of being a "pinko" today LOL

[Takeda Shingen]

You've got your fascism and capitalism definitions backwards. Capitalism, an economic theory, promotes the unrestricted free market. Fascism, as a political system, promotes a mixed economy theory. Therefore your stated evolutionary economic theory is, well, wrong.

[Mittelwaechter]

Capitalism can exist under several political systems, but with the lack of socialism it turns into a fascistic system.

Our recent neo-fascism is not led by politicans but by corporates. They have pure capitalist objectives.

"Evolve" is maybe not the correct expression.

Capitalism without counter weight breeds fascism - if you prefer.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Mittelwaechter

Capitalism can exist under several political systems, but with the lack of socialism it turns into a fascistic system.

Our recent neo-fascism is not led by politicans but by corporates. They have pure capitalist objectives.

"Evolve" is maybe not the correct expression.

Capitalism without counter weight breeds fascism - if you prefer.

No, no, no. Fascism promotes state-run capitalism, or mixed economic theory. Unrestricted free market capitalism, ie "pure capitalism" is not something that fascists desire, as they cannot control it.

[Mittelwaechter]

Our free market is not free. It is controled with subventions and restrictions in favour for the corporations. The market is "free", because they can do what they want, without any scrupels. Free trading, free money flow and free flow of workers or workstations. But it is not uncontroled.

The fusion of state and corporates is defined as fascism by Mussolini himself.

The original fascism was led by politicians - with all pomp and glory. The corporates made great money but were not in charge.

Today the neo-fascism is not run by politicians but by the corporates. They control the politicians and waive the pomp and glory. They stay behind the scenes and push the politicians into the lime light. The democratic rites are just a show to keep the people docile.

But they control the market situation and conditions through the politicians.
(or other manipulating behaviour)

[Takeda Shingen]

[HunterICX]

You owe me a Coca Cola Takeda

*wipes monitor clean*

HunterICx

[Mittelwaechter]

Sorry?

I don't know how to interpret your picture.



EDIT: ah! Ok - I understand.

Well...

[Catfish]

^ you cannot understand it unless you have no idea of 'Stamokap' and revolution theory
(and i mean exactly what i wrote)

And you are right, our market is not really free. Because of lobbies and interests of big companies that do not tolerate competition.And as long we have leaders (lol) like Cheney i do not think that competing companies would have a chance, in the US. Or better: the one which pays most will get the advantage.
What we do have is beginning locust capitalism, but if you read e.g. Marx
(who invented capitalism and value added tax, but no one ever refers to that)
you will see that after some time there are only a few companies left, and then things begin to become really nasty. This also will be capitalism, but in its last stage, and not a free one.
By theory free capitalism only works in its early stage.

[Wolferz]

It's all about the Benjamins. Nothing more, nothing less. Maybe we should put Filmores' portrait on the C note.

Bow down and kiss the all seeing eye. If your shackle chains are long enough.

How much for a happy meal? One Filmore!

[Mittelwaechter]

In our families we don't care for money but for members. Socialism is a natural system we run at home. We share resources and try to balance the demands.
It is not to be condemned.

But as members of the capitalistic societies we are indoctrinated to fight socialism, because those who profit control our perception through their media, they control our motivation.

Our personal experience is positive versus socialism, but our remote controled experience is negative. We want to be part of the community and tend to jump on bandwagons. Therefore we ignore our personal experience, we may not even know to be socialists at home. As long as no one tells us...


Cheney and Halliburton may have had some advantage from several manipulations of the peoples and politicians perception.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Catfish

By theory free capitalism only works in its early stage.

I tend to agree. We can look at our history to see what true capitalism created, a working slave class under monopoly rule. Sadly today our jobs can be shipped off to the system of old, no regulation, benefits and slave wages. Americans fought for years for fairness, got it to a degree, but we're fast losing it in a global economy. We're heading back fast to a class system of elites and poor.

[Tchocky]

Globally we're looking at the largest wealth creation event in history over the last couple of decades.

Of course those at the top (everyone posting in this thread including me) don't want this to change.

[vienna]

Excuse me, I didn't catch what you said...

I was too busy counting my piles of capitalistic lucre...


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[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Globally we're looking at the largest wealth creation event in history over the last couple of decades.

Of course those at the top (everyone posting in this thread including me) don't want this to change.

Not really, we're seeing a wealth shift to a small percent. Certainly, wealthy people don't won't it to change, but the failure will be in that it will lead to a change in the economic power map. When you create a class system, it will eventually lead to the end of that nation as a power. You can only keep the masses at bay with tax funded social programs for so long.

Our economy in the US hasn't really improved, the govt simply dumped a few trillion into the economy, which created some jobs and propped up the stock market. Now we're left with the debt and those funded jobs will go away. Course, govt will keep trying to fund the economy and kick the bucket down the road, but eventually it will implode. Any serious economist admits the big crisis is coming.

[mookiemookie]

What could be more American than squeezing the other guy for every dime you can get out of him?