Missouri Set to Nullify All Federal Gun Laws

08-30-13, 10:36 AM

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The laws already in place weed out those that apply for gun purchase but are denied for one reason or another.

Can you explain that loophole which avoided backround checks then, you know the one they claim to be closing in this new legislation?
While you are at it can you explain a few of the other loopholes where people can purchase weapons from a legal source while avoiding backround checks?

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Can you explain that loophole which avoided backround checks then, you know the one they claim to be closing in this new legislation?
While you are at it can you explain a few of the other loopholes where people can purchase weapons from a legal source while avoiding backround checks?

Internet sales is a gray area. One could purchase over the internet with no recourse of a check. I'm not sure how this will be enforced if at all. This is the only loophole I'm aware of.

There are no other sources that I'm aware of that allow legal purchase of a weapon w/o a background check.

Ducimus · 08-30-13, 10:53 AM

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Internet sales is a gray area. One could purchase over the internet with no recourse of a check. I'm not sure how this will be enforced if at all. This is the only loophole I'm aware of.

There are no other sources that I'm aware of that allow legal purchase of a weapon w/o a background check.

My understanding is that is not accurate at all. Yes you can order a firearm online, however it still has to be shipped to a licensed FFL dealer who does the background check before you take possession of the firearm.

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 11:02 AM

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My understanding is that is not accurate at all. Yes you can order a firearm online, however it still has to be shipped to a licensed FFL dealer who does the background check before you take possession of the firearm.

Private sales via internet. Ebay of old? Air pistols can be purchased at Ebay. Not sure about large caliber weapons being sold years ago on Ebay. But, yes, shipping to a licensed dealer that conducts the check before final sale. That makes sense.

08-30-13, 11:00 AM

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There are no other sources that I'm aware of that allow legal purchase of a weapon w/o a background check.

Can you not think of one which 33 states allow?

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What legislation? If I'm not mistaken, this didn't come out of congress. It's another Executive Order from his exalted highness, doing as he pleases.

That would be delegated legislation then.

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 11:07 AM

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Can you not think of one which 33 states allow?

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The White House announced Thursday that it will close two gun sales loopholes by requiring background checks for gun purchases by corporations and trusts and banning almost all re-imports of military surplus firearms to private entities.

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Gun shows and the lack of uniform gun-control laws provide easy access to guns that can be used for criminal purposes,

http://www.ucdmc.ucdavis.edu/welcome...udy/index.html

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In 33 states, private gun owners are not restricted from selling guns at gun shows. Buyers who purchase guns from individuals are not required to submit to the federal background checks in place for licensed dealers. Critics say that firearms can be obtained illegally as a result, calling it the “gun show loophole.” Proponents of unregulated gun show sales say that there is no loophole; gun owners are simply selling or trading guns at the shows as they would do at their residence.

http://civilliberty.about.com/od/gun.../Gun-Shows.htm

08-30-13, 11:19 AM

See, easy to find isn't it AVG.

Now lets take it further.
When Al-Qaida makes a propaganda video urging Americans to go all murdering jihadi like Nidal Malik Hasan did, where does it suggest as a handy convenient source for cheap guns without background checks?

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 11:33 AM

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See, easy to find isn't it AVG.

Now lets take it further.
When Al-Qaida makes a propaganda video urging Americans to go all murdering jihadi like Nidal Malik Hasan did, where does it suggest as a handy convenient source for cheap guns without background checks?

To be honest Tribes, I never did bother to see what was being enacted as I don't own a weapon nor in the market for one. I don't see a need for one in the future.

I don't watch Al-Qaida propaganda videos. I can't comment on what it would suggest to anyone. I would believe it would be easier to get a weapon in the alley way than calling your local Al-Qaida group looking for a fully auto.

Ducimus · 08-30-13, 11:54 AM

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I don't own a weapon nor in the market for one. I don't see a need for one in the future.

If I may make a suggestion, and no pun on Biden intended, If you were to get just one gun, I would suggest 12 gauge pump action shotgun. They are inexpensive (200-300 dollars), versatile in ammunition (bird shot, buck shot, slugs), and have many practical applications (home defense, or hunting).

Ducimus · 08-30-13, 11:20 AM

I'm not entirely sure about the loophole at gunshows. I was at one a couple weeks ago and i heard some background checks being done.

AVGWarhawk, as poetic as your sig sounds, it also sounds like you've given up. I think the fight to keep our civil liberties and freedom is just starting. I for one will never give up until I'm dead and buried. There mere thought of my descendents not living with the same that I was born with infuriates me.

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

I'm not entirely sure about the loophole at gunshows. I was at one a couple weeks ago and i heard some background checks being done.

AVGWarhawk, as poetic as your sig sounds, it also sounds like you've given up. I think the fight to keep our civil liberties and freedom is just starting. I for one will never give up until I'm dead and buried. There mere thought of my descendents not living with the same that I was born with infuriates me.

You have to admit that today's world is nowhere remotely like the 60,70 or 80's. This is what the sig is about. Take it from there.

Wolferz · 08-30-13, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Can you explain that loophole which avoided backround checks then, you know the one they claim to be closing in this new legislation?
While you are at it can you explain a few of the other loopholes where people can purchase weapons from a legal source while avoiding backround checks?

What legislation? If I'm not mistaken, this didn't come out of congress. It's another Executive Order from his exalted highness, doing as he pleases.

AVGWarhawk · 08-30-13, 10:51 AM

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What legislation? If I'm not mistaken, this didn't come out of congress. It's another Executive Order from his exalted highness, doing as he pleases.

As I understand per the news and I understand it. This is BO brain child enacted on a whim.

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Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	See, easy to find isn't it AVG. Now lets take it further. When Al-Qaida makes a propaganda video urging Americans to go all murdering jihadi like Nidal Malik Hasan did, where does it suggest as a handy convenient source for cheap guns without background checks?

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Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I'm not entirely sure about the loophole at gunshows. I was at one a couple weeks ago and i heard some background checks being done. AVGWarhawk, as poetic as your sig sounds, it also sounds like you've given up. I think the fight to keep our civil liberties and freedom is just starting. I for one will never give up until I'm dead and buried. There mere thought of my descendents not living with the same that I was born with infuriates me.