Contemporary feminism unmasked

Skybird · 08-26-13, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Stealhead

No it wont because I really do not care.I am more concerned about squirrels uniting and starting a pro squirrel movement.

If the American Red squirrel and the Eastern Gray squirrel populations unite and form a Neo-Nazi,communist,Islamist,feminist,politically correct faction(which they will) we as free thinking humans will be doomed.

I have been preparing though I have a high powered air rifle and 50,000 domed pellets.

You will, when you realise that you as a male gets discriminated indirectly, by paying higher health insurance fees because over here insurers must now exclusively offer unisex tariffs that must deny different health risks for men and women. Or when you file in your interest for a teaching job at university and are being told that more and more jobs as proferssors are female-excluiusvely, and that a woman was chosen although her qualification was lesser than yours. Or when you see your son joining a test for studying medicine and finds he gets refused with a superior point scoring, while girls with lower scoring got accepted, because the university wants to boost the number of female students. Or when you realize that studies and social workers show you that your little son at school has a much higher risk of getting less attention and a higher risk of failing than girls, which then are claimed to be "intellectually superior", because school focuses to foster them, while ignoring boys. Or when you fight with your divorced wife over the rights to have children visiting you, or you get sentenced for more finajcial payments than you can affords, and have to realise this is becasue you are just a stupoid father - who simply counts less because he is a man. Or when you reralise that public opinion pouts you and men in general under general suspicion just because you are male, and you get accused of being a potential rapist and the TV show allows feminists to claim that men love to beat women at home, while the statistics show that more homegrown violence is committed by females against males, than by males against females.

People's primary learning organ is not the brain, but the pain cell. But the problem with that is when it sends the alarm, the cause of the pain already has struck and the damage has been done.

Tchocky · 08-26-13, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

the TV show allows feminists to claim that men love to beat women at home, while the statistics show that more homegrown violence is committed by females against males, than by males against females.

Ah, "the statistics".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemi...ce#Gender_bias

As always when dealing with large blustery over-generalisations, the answer is - "it's complicated". Certainly it is not as you describe.

EDIT - because, you know, crikey.

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Or when you file in your interest for a teaching job at university and are being told that more and more jobs as proferssors are female-excluiusvely, and that a woman was chosen although her qualification was lesser than yours.

Congratulations on missing the entire reality. Only 13% of tenured professors in Germany are women (data from 2010) and Germany has one of the biggest gender pay differentials in Europe.

Taking small steps on a few hundred (out of 38,000) posts is not the end of the world.

Statistics from here - http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/18/wo...pagewanted=all and here - http://www.spiegel.de/international/...-a-576238.html

I know that 13% seems like a lot and these fundamentalist genderising Taliban man-hating communists should just shut up and be happy with their lot.

Skybird · 08-26-13, 05:27 PM

Tchocky,

You claim statistics being abused, and then give it a twist yourself? I know that women are a minority in teaching positions at universities here. But their number is skyrocketing, and that is not due to massive rise in competence and bigger interest all of a sudden. That women are being underrepresented in many branches and fields , has many causes. For example that women are not interested in branches and certain things that men claim to have high interest in. Because men and women have different interests, and different life plans. A simple fact that feminists and gender equality-enforcers social engineers fighting for a 50:50 relation constantly deny and ignore.

Fact is that in germany we have a legislation now that demands to boost the number of female professors by denying male candidates the right to have their bid taken into account - they get excluded because they are men. It is policy of all parties, and it is valid law. It also is part of EU legislation. Fact also is that the principle that when you compete for a job or position, where men and women should have the same rights and should not be discriminated, is being violated, although we even have it in the Basic Law. Fact also is that over the cause of the past 12-18 months here in Europe we have had several incidents illustrating to what degree the feminist lobby already has hijacked the decision- and policy-forming levels of the hierarchies, that even male colleagues fall into the propaganda vocabulary of feminist dogma, and that it is spreading. If only I would have posted the many German news reports of that time. You would see how tremendous the damage is. It does not boost our competitiveness and the competence of our students. Both are in decline instead. That also is a fact. One has to read beyond the statistics given by the government, though. But that goes without saying with any government statistic.

As you may know, in German we have verbal differentiation between male and female articles that are unknown in English. In English, a male professor is the professor, and a female professor again is the professor. In German, we have the male "der Professor" and the female "die Professorin". We also have what is called genus commune, or ambigen, a grammatical case deriving from linguistic developments from the early medieval on, or was it even Latin, I am not sure. It is a grammatical clause for both the masculinum and femininum. It means that when addressing a general, gender-unspecific group of mixed males and females, one apparent article is used to adress and imply both men and women. It then means both explicitly and implicitly, even if it sounds like the masculinum.

How did this come? In indogermanic languages, there were two genera, ambigen (for all persons), and genus impersonale (for things and objects). Later, probably during a relatively matriarchalic period, the femininum was introduced, as an honourful grammatic addressing of women. A dedicated genus for men did not exist, and instead the genus commune was then to adress sometimes a mixed group of men and women, sometimes men exclusively, depending on the real situation. So, the ambigen was used to address men, and then was called masculinum, while women got a different in form and sound genus for themselves. The existence of the socalled masculinum in German and related languages is a misunderstanding of history, in the end. A dedicated masculine genus does not exist! Just a genus communale that later was used to adress not only mixed groups and all persons in general, but also to refer to men. If they would not have called that "masculinum", feminist language war would not exist today.

You wonder why I try (and struggle) to explain this, and you give spit for it because you underestimate it anyway. But it is important. Because you do not know what deformations and distortions we do to your language since some years. That politicians politically correct address the people with "Liebe Mitbürgerinnen und Mitbürger" where Englishmen see no discrimination at all in just adressing the people with "dear citizens" (instead of saying something stupid like "dear citizens and citizencenesses") has become known outside Germany in past years, and caused clueless scratching of heads and mild amusement. But that we now have ambitions to have "Vorständinnen" (femininum) accompanying our "Vorstände" (genus commune; and many more stunts like that, is a rape of our cultural heritage, which last but not least bases on our rich lingual heritage, last but not least. And the first two universities now have banned this genus commune, although it is completely gender neutral and not expressing a male-focussed grammar at all, which is a fact, to make that clear again. Male professors now are adressed by a gender-specific grammatical format: the feminum. And that is no "gender commune". A male prof now is "Frau Professorin". That compares to calling a man in English a Miss. Obama is Miss President, or to Germanize it a bit to make it clarer, he is Miss "Presidencess" (with no gender commune implied).

As said, the first two universitiy have forced this into offocial lanmguage usage in their institutes. Other universities are annluncing to follow.

Ironically, the whole issue started as a bitter sarcastic joke by one male prof who complained about the political correctness in language killing the easy and comfortable verbal conversation by headlessly "bureaucraticing" it and making it hilariously complex over nothing. The left groups at the university fetched that up, made it an agenda, campaigned, and finally had the established feminist group in the administration pushing it through. Such groups and lobbies have become extremely strong in the education system over here, additionally to the feminine basic climate you already have in schools, the soft-being and girls-nursing, the forbidding of boys playing like boys, with that beign sanctioned and always smiling supressed and then wondering why boys' rates of showing behavioral anomalities and cognitive deficits are skyrocketing. It's all a system designed for girls, and doing damage to the difference that lies in being a boy. And I happen to have several teachers in my social circle, I really get told some stories and complaints on the system's derailment, really. And these lobby groups are not equality between men and women, and they do not mind equal chances and justice as demanded by our Basic Law. They want feminist dominance and the minimizing of male values and the discrimination of men. Many events there have been in Germany, Austria over the past years that illustrate that the campaign is anything but weak, and anything but harmless, and already has resulted in the juristic legalisation of discriminating men on the basis of male gender. I am all for equal rights before the law, but I bitterly refuse attempts to redefine both sexes as equal in interests and psyche, to make everybody equal, or to replace injustice against the one by the injustice now committed against the other. It has all derailed, with balance destroyed and handsight refused.

But go ahead, stick your head in the sand, keeping only the left eye open. Not the only issue where you react like that, as we both know.

08-26-13, 05:33 PM

But onto serious matters, if this forced program of radical feministionalisation carries on who is going to do the ironing?

Stealhead · 08-26-13, 08:24 PM

I am good there I learned how to iron and clean in the Air Force.

Once the women take over I plan on starting a clothes ironing business I will make millions.Always a silver lining.Of course my wife and daughter would keep all of my earnings but we will be wealthy.

Aktungbby · 08-27-13, 01:25 AM

[QUOTE=Skybird;2106190]Tchocky,

In German, we have the male "der Professor" and the female "die Professorin".
Yupper! It's a 'DER-DIE' business after all! She's got the "ins" und ve are on der "oots"! Sprechinzie getting der gist of der argument!

the_tyrant · 08-26-13, 09:58 PM

You see, the ingenuity of the feminist extremist is the fact that their demands seem perfectly reasonable on the surface. They are completely able to force through their demands by disguising it as something reasonable.

What are the odds of the anarchist extremists being able to push through their demands? 0.000001%? 0.0000001%?

The feminist extremists are dangerous, because they actually have a chance of succeeding. Unlike most other extremists. They might not be loud, but they do have the highest chance of success amongst extremist organizations.

Stealhead · 08-26-13, 11:23 PM

Which is still extremely low.

That is why they are called extremists because the ideas promoted are extreme and on the fringe an not supported by any notable portion of their peer group.

Look around you in the US do you know who the most equal employer is for women?Drum roll...... the US military.

They are the largest employer in the US that pays men and women equally for the same job.You get payed by your rank and time in service and it is the same for everyone come from Texas and are a Chinese-American male you get the same pay as a African-American female assuming that the same rank and time in grade is held.(some variation occurs depending on state the service member "originated" from taxes in cases where the state has an income tax many in the military try to get stationed in an income tax free state so they can change their state residence.)

Do I agree with any extreme view?Hell no**. Do I think that everyone should get the same pay based on skill and experience(time in the job) regardless of sex,race or creed hell yes I do.

Look at businesses in the US they take advantage of women all the time because they know that women tend to be less demanding than men.A man will ask for more pay 90% or the time a woman 90% of the time wont.It is exploration pure and simple.

**dependent on what you consider extreme.To me militant running around with an AK is extreme(most of the time)

Skybird · 08-27-13, 05:29 AM

Wikipedia is one of the most fought-over media battlefields of feminists and political correctness lunatics. Of the German site it is known since long that the censorship of non-conformal text contributions and left- and feminism-critical entries is very quickly deleted and replaced, because feminists and political correctness fanatics form the majority of the staff in the German wikipedia section, which has led to several of their best authors having left (being mobbed out) over the past four years, and before.

By tendency, it is like this in many media. But I was surprised to see what I did see when looking up Bradley Manning in the English section.

Go to your English Wikipedia, and search for the person (you cannot say guy anymore without being accused of discrimination, or can you?). I help you a bit:

LINK TO ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ON MANNING

They have beaten themselves this time!

Skybird · 08-27-13, 05:34 AM

And I am wondering. When you can change your gender in a public encyclopedia by writing a simple letter and without providing any medical evidence, can you also change your nationality, the numerical level of your wealth, and recordings of things you get quoted by?

And is Manning serving his time in a prison for men or women? Or do they build a crossgender prison now, for those people being undecided over what they want to be?

And finally, isn't it sexual discrimination to call him still "Manning" when the politically correct form now would be "Womanning"?

08-26-13, 05:27 PM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tchocky, You claim statistics being abused, and then give it a twist yourself? I know that women are a minority in teaching positions at universities here. But their number is skyrocketing, and that is not due to massive rise in competence and bigger interest all of a sudden. That women are being underrepresented in many branches and fields , has many causes. For example that women are not interested in branches and certain things that men claim to have high interest in. Because men and women have different interests, and different life plans. A simple fact that feminists and gender equality-enforcers social engineers fighting for a 50:50 relation constantly deny and ignore. Fact is that in germany we have a legislation now that demands to boost the number of female professors by denying male candidates the right to have their bid taken into account - they get excluded because they are men. It is policy of all parties, and it is valid law. It also is part of EU legislation. Fact also is that the principle that when you compete for a job or position, where men and women should have the same rights and should not be discriminated, is being violated, although we even have it in the Basic Law. Fact also is that over the cause of the past 12-18 months here in Europe we have had several incidents illustrating to what degree the feminist lobby already has hijacked the decision- and policy-forming levels of the hierarchies, that even male colleagues fall into the propaganda vocabulary of feminist dogma, and that it is spreading. If only I would have posted the many German news reports of that time. You would see how tremendous the damage is. It does not boost our competitiveness and the competence of our students. Both are in decline instead. That also is a fact. One has to read beyond the statistics given by the government, though. But that goes without saying with any government statistic. As you may know, in German we have verbal differentiation between male and female articles that are unknown in English. In English, a male professor is the professor, and a female professor again is the professor. In German, we have the male "der Professor" and the female "die Professorin". We also have what is called genus commune, or ambigen, a grammatical case deriving from linguistic developments from the early medieval on, or was it even Latin, I am not sure. It is a grammatical clause for both the masculinum and femininum. It means that when addressing a general, gender-unspecific group of mixed males and females, one apparent article is used to adress and imply both men and women. It then means both explicitly and implicitly, even if it sounds like the masculinum. How did this come? In indogermanic languages, there were two genera, ambigen (for all persons), and genus impersonale (for things and objects). Later, probably during a relatively matriarchalic period, the femininum was introduced, as an honourful grammatic addressing of women. A dedicated genus for men did not exist, and instead the genus commune was then to adress sometimes a mixed group of men and women, sometimes men exclusively, depending on the real situation. So, the ambigen was used to address men, and then was called masculinum, while women got a different in form and sound genus for themselves. The existence of the socalled masculinum in German and related languages is a misunderstanding of history, in the end. A dedicated masculine* genus does not exist!* Just a genus communale that later was used to adress not only mixed groups and all persons in general, but also to refer to men. If they would not have called that "masculinum", feminist language war would not exist today. You wonder why I try (and struggle) to explain this, and you give spit for it because you underestimate it anyway. But it is important. Because you do not know what deformations and distortions we do to your language since some years. That politicians politically correct address the people with "Liebe Mitbürgerinnen und Mitbürger" where Englishmen see no discrimination at all in just adressing the people with "dear citizens" (instead of saying something stupid like "dear citizens and citizencenesses") has become known outside Germany in past years, and caused clueless scratching of heads and mild amusement. But that we now have ambitions to have "Vorständinnen" (femininum) accompanying our "Vorstände" (genus commune; and many more stunts like that, is a rape of our cultural heritage, which last but not least bases on our rich lingual heritage, last but not least. And the first two universities now have banned this genus commune, although it is completely gender neutral and not expressing a male-focussed grammar at all, which is a fact, to make that clear again. Male professors now are adressed by a gender-specific grammatical format: the feminum. And that is no "gender commune". A male prof now is "Frau Professorin". That compares to calling a man in English a Miss. Obama is Miss President, or to Germanize it a bit to make it clarer, he is Miss "Presidencess" (with no gender commune implied). As said, the first two universitiy have forced this into offocial lanmguage usage in their institutes. Other universities are annluncing to follow. Ironically, the whole issue started as a bitter sarcastic joke by one male prof who complained about the political correctness in language killing the easy and comfortable verbal conversation by headlessly "bureaucraticing" it and making it hilariously complex over nothing. The left groups at the university fetched that up, made it an agenda, campaigned, and finally had the established feminist group in the administration pushing it through. Such groups and lobbies have become extremely strong in the education system over here, additionally to the feminine basic climate you already have in schools, the soft-being and girls-nursing, the forbidding of boys playing like boys, with that beign sanctioned and always smiling supressed and then wondering why boys' rates of showing behavioral anomalities and cognitive deficits are skyrocketing. It's all a system designed for girls, and doing damage to the difference that lies in being a boy. And I happen to have several teachers in my social circle, I really get told some stories and complaints on the system's derailment, really. And these lobby groups are not equality between men and women, and they do not mind equal chances and justice as demanded by our Basic Law. They want feminist dominance and the minimizing of male values and the discrimination of men. Many events there have been in Germany, Austria over the past years that illustrate that the campaign is anything but weak, and anything but harmless, and already has resulted in the juristic legalisation of discriminating men on the basis of male gender. I am all for equal rights before the law, but I bitterly refuse attempts to redefine both sexes as equal in interests and psyche, to make everybody equal, or to replace injustice against the one by the injustice now committed against the other. It has all derailed, with balance destroyed and handsight refused. But go ahead, stick your head in the sand, keeping only the left eye open. Not the only issue where you react like that, as we both know. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-13, 01:25 AM	#6
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 29,997 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	[QUOTE=Skybird;2106190]Tchocky, In German, we have the male "der Professor" and the female "die Professorin". Yupper! It's a 'DER-DIE' business after all! She's got the "ins" und ve are on der "oots"! Sprechinzie getting der gist of der argument! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness?!!

08-26-13, 09:58 PM	#7
the_tyrant Admiral Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 2,272 Downloads: 58 Uploads: 0	You see, the ingenuity of the feminist extremist is the fact that their demands seem perfectly reasonable on the surface. They are completely able to force through their demands by disguising it as something reasonable. What are the odds of the anarchist extremists being able to push through their demands? 0.000001%? 0.0000001%? The feminist extremists are dangerous, because they actually have a chance of succeeding. Unlike most other extremists. They might not be loud, but they do have the highest chance of success amongst extremist organizations. __________________ My own open source project on Sourceforge OTP.net KGB grade encryption for the rest of us

08-27-13, 05:29 AM	#9
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Wikipedia is one of the most fought-over media battlefields of feminists and political correctness lunatics. Of the German site it is known since long that the censorship of non-conformal text contributions and left- and feminism-critical entries is very quickly deleted and replaced, because feminists and political correctness fanatics form the majority of the staff in the German wikipedia section, which has led to several of their best authors having left (being mobbed out) over the past four years, and before. By tendency, it is like this in many media. But I was surprised to see what I did see when looking up Bradley Manning in the English section. Go to your English Wikipedia, and search for the person (you cannot say guy anymore without being accused of discrimination, or can you?). I help you a bit: LINK TO ENGLISH WIKIPEDIA ENTRY ON MANNING They have beaten themselves this time! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-13, 05:34 AM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,613 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And I am wondering. When you can change your gender in a public encyclopedia by writing a simple letter and without providing any medical evidence, can you also change your nationality, the numerical level of your wealth, and recordings of things you get quoted by? And is Manning serving his time in a prison for men or women? Or do they build a crossgender prison now, for those people being undecided over what they want to be? And finally, isn't it sexual discrimination to call him still "Manning" when the politically correct form now would be "Womanning"? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-26-13, 05:33 PM	#4
Tribesman Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	But onto serious matters, if this forced program of radical feministionalisation carries on who is going to do the ironing?

08-26-13, 08:24 PM	#5
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	I am good there I learned how to iron and clean in the Air Force. Once the women take over I plan on starting a clothes ironing business I will make millions.Always a silver lining.Of course my wife and daughter would keep all of my earnings but we will be wealthy.

08-26-13, 11:23 PM	#8
Stealhead Navy Seal Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Kentucky Posts: 5,421 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Which is still extremely low. That is why they are called extremists because the ideas promoted are extreme and on the fringe an not supported by any notable portion of their peer group. Look around you in the US do you know who the most equal employer is for women?Drum roll...... the US military. They are the largest employer in the US that pays men and women equally for the same job.You get payed by your rank and time in service and it is the same for everyone come from Texas and are a Chinese-American male you get the same pay as a African-American female assuming that the same rank and time in grade is held.(some variation occurs depending on state the service member "originated" from taxes in cases where the state has an income tax many in the military try to get stationed in an income tax free state so they can change their state residence.) Do I agree with any extreme view?Hell no. Do I think that everyone should get the same pay based on skill and experience(time in the job) regardless of sex,race or creed hell yes I do. Look at businesses in the US they take advantage of women all the time because they know that women tend to be less demanding than men.A man will ask for more pay 90% or the time a woman 90% of the time wont.It is exploration pure and simple. dependent on what you consider extreme.To me militant running around with an AK is extreme(most of the time)