WWII vet, 88, brutally beaten to death in Spokane, Wash.

Ducimus · 08-23-13, 08:20 AM

Aside from that, WW2 veterans are greatly respected, if not revered.

Between this, and those 3 teens thrill killing the Australian, it really goes to show the extent of moral decay in this country.

AVGWarhawk · 08-23-13, 08:21 AM

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Between this, and those 3 teens thrill killing the Australian, it really goes to show the extent of moral decay in this country.

Where does one get their morals?

Ducimus · 08-23-13, 08:27 AM

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Where does one get their morals?

Good parenting maybe? Aside from that I think there has been some large shifts in society that encourage less then desirable attributes in people. (which could be a very long topic in and of itself)

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

AVGWarhawk · 08-23-13, 08:35 AM

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Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

And I agree as well.

I'm inclined to believe that kids are left to raise themselves these days.

It is a real shame that three strong pick on the one elderly weak for a few dollars. It is a real shame this gentleman put his life on the line so three punks have the freedom to take his valuables and leave him for dead. Perhaps more accountability from parents is the answer.

nikimcbee · 08-23-13, 09:43 AM

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Good parenting maybe? Aside from that I think there has been some large shifts in society that encourage less then desirable attributes in people. (which could be a very long topic in and of itself)

Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion, I strongly disagree. One does not have to be religious to have good moral character.

I see Happy Valley hasn't converted you yet.

Note, Send more cookies and jello salad to Ducimus' house.

WernherVonTrapp · 08-23-13, 09:50 AM

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Other then that, the use of the word "morals" is usually synonymous with religion...

Interesting; when I look up the word "Moral" in both my Webster's and Oxford (American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus), the word "Religion" is not found in any of it's forms, nor implied.

AVGWarhawk · 08-23-13, 09:51 AM

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Interesting; when I look up the word "Moral" in both my Webster's and Oxford (American Desk Dictionary and Thesaurus), the word "Religion" is not found in any of it's forms, nor implied.

It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

Armistead · 08-23-13, 10:22 AM

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It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

I think it does have some impact. For most of us growin up as kids 60s-80's, even if your family wasn't religious, we were more aware of the eye in the sky, going to hell, prayer in school, 10 cmdts, etc. I think a lot of it was growing up at the end of the cowboy age, the white hat age, we understood good vs evil. Heck, even fake wrestling taught good vs. evil as well as most TV shows, Waltons, Happy Days, etc. I think the bigger problem today is that everything is shades of grey.

Certainly, religions was the base for morality and even most law. As we went secular, morals have been redefined.

I'm sure these events have always existed, just not reported. I think the scary thing is useless crimes or fun killings. That seems to be something more new.

AVGWarhawk · 08-23-13, 10:33 AM

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I think it does have some impact. For most of us growin up as kids 60s-80's, even if your family wasn't religious, we were more aware of the eye in the sky, going to hell, prayer in school, 10 cmdts, etc. I think a lot of it was growing up at the end of the cowboy age, the white hat age, we understood good vs evil. Heck, even fake wrestling taught good vs. evil as well as most TV shows, Waltons, Happy Days, etc. I think the bigger problem today is that everything is shades of grey.

Certainly, religions was the base for morality and even most law. As we went secular, morals have been redefined.

I'm sure these events have always existed, just not reported. I think the scary thing is useless crimes or fun killings. That seems to be something more new.

No doubt it has a impact. Ducimus cut me off at the pass in his post a few back and I left it at that. I did not want to turn thread into a discussion of religion.

WernherVonTrapp · 08-23-13, 10:47 AM

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It is usually associated but not necessarily part of the definition.

You missed my point, and therefore the fault is mine. What I was (not so eloquently) implying is that Religion and Morality should be synonymous, but unfortunately they are not. People can be religious about many thing. They can be religiously immoral. Just because a religion exists, doesn't make it any more moral than the people that make up it's body. Religions are institutions created by man.
If I also look up the word "religion/religious", I do not find the word "moral" either.

AVGWarhawk · 08-23-13, 10:50 AM

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You missed my point, and therefore the fault is mine. What I was (not so eloquently) implying is that Religion and Morality should be synonymous, but unfortunately they are not. People can be religious about many thing. They can be religiously immoral. Just because a religion exists, doesn't make it any more moral than the people that make up it's body. Religions are institutions created by man.
If I also look up the word "religion/religious", I do not find the word "moral" either.

Read post #20.

GoldenRivet · 08-23-13, 08:30 AM

Heads are gonna roll when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpten get fired up on this!

What? They won't?

Hmm

AVGWarhawk · 08-23-13, 08:36 AM

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Heads are gonna roll when Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpten get fired up on this!

What? They won't?

Hmm

nikimcbee · 08-23-13, 09:39 AM

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Aside from that, WW2 veterans are greatly respected, if not revered.

Between this, and those 3 teens thrill killing the Australian, it really goes to show the extent of moral decay in this country.

This. The same thing happened here in Oregon with WW2 Marine Hero, Marion Carl.

http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-no...rion_carl.html

STEED · 08-23-13, 01:30 PM

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