A hypothetical question.

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Where is this consensus? Again, saying it doesn't make it so. References, please?

And what is a consensus worth, of insular scholars in the framework of historians affiliated with different universities. Their organization is one of authority, not search for the truth. Whoever presently is cock of the walk in that field controls consensus by destroying the careers of those who disagree. Same thing happens in the science community. Tow the line or get your funds strangled.

We had a consensus of opinion on how great Thomas Jefferson was, enforced by scholastic thuggery until the lid was blown off on his relationship with his slaves, relatives of his wife's family even before Thomas himself got involved. The one man with the political position and clout to destroy slavery at the birth of our nation was the one who most evilly exploited the slave system for his own profit. His own neighbor released his slaves and willed Jefferson an extraordinary sum of money (enough to buy all Jefferson's slaves and leave a good living) on the condition that Jefferson free his slaves. Jefferson refused the inheritance. Once the logjam of illegitimate authority over historical consensus was broken, so Jefferson was broken over the blatant hypocrisy of his own undeniable actions. "Master of the Mountain" is your book. Fairly written and completely devastating.

Question authority. Learn the truth for yourself. The university establishment has perverted our scientific and historical functions, turning them into medieval fiefdoms.

[vanjast]

That's the way how a lot of us feel here in ZA... about Nelson Mandela ???

No action, no talk as his ANC proceeded to rape the country, kill opposition, etc.. etc.. Not a peep from him ??

No my friends,.. that realistic history, has also been distorted and hidden from your eyes. A lot of fools still believe the lie.

[Rockin Robbins]

I guess I'll be very quiet now......Take her down!

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

The one man with the political position and clout to destroy slavery at the birth of our nation was the one who most evilly exploited the slave system for his own profit.

At least he felt guilty about it...or said he did.

His own neighbor released his slaves and willed Jefferson an extraordinary sum of money (enough to buy all Jefferson's slaves and leave a good living) on the condition that Jefferson free his slaves. Jefferson refused the inheritance.

In that regard Madison was no better. Little Jemmy had a friend who chastised him for not freeing his slaves. This friend (could he be the same fellow?) sold his plantation, bought a big piece of land in Kentucky and moved the entire group there, freeing his slaves and dividing up his wealth equally among all, then working the land the same as the rest of his newly-freed fellow citizens.
James Madison, by Ralph Ketcham

[Rockin Robbins]

Jefferson's neighbor knew that just freeing his slaves in Virginie would cause problems, probably involving the newly freed slaves being rounded up and reenslaved or worse. So took all his slaves on a boat north across the Ohio River. On the other shore he simply announced that every man, woman and child was now a free human being and that they could accompany him if they wished and he would treat them as equals.

The result was the founding of the state of Indiana, and he was first governor. Jefferson declined to follow his example. Two opportunities (of many) for Jefferson to show the meaning of the words "endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights." But now he was older and knew better... No wonder Marquis de Lafayette disowned him. Jefferson was a despicable human being who freely and knowingly chose the dark side.

[Admiral Halsey]

When did this thread go from hypothetical WW2 scenarios to talking about Jefferson's slaves?

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

When did this thread go from hypothetical WW2 scenarios to talking about Jefferson's slaves?

Would you believe.......cosmic rays?

I really need to get back to my infiltration of Rabaul to salvage my pitiful career. Going deep....

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Would you believe.......cosmic rays?

I really need to get back to my infiltration of Rabaul to salvage my pitiful career. Going deep....

That is easier then you think if it's early war.(I normally only find a minelayer with no depth charge racks guarding the entrance.)

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Admiral Halsey

When did this thread go from hypothetical WW2 scenarios to talking about Jefferson's slaves?

It took a left turn at the Battle of Britain. After that "history" stopped being history and the past is all fantasy anyway, so why couldn't Jefferson's slaves have stopped Hitler's u-boats?

After all, three American slaves are worth five nazi scumbags.

[BrucePartington]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

It took a left turn at the Battle of Britain. After that "history" stopped being history and the past is all fantasy anyway, so why couldn't Jefferson's slaves have stopped Hitler's u-boats?

After all, three American slaves are worth five nazi scumbags.

A. Halsey has a point. His thread was indeed hijacked.
For my contribution to that, I apologize.

I guess it's just human nature. In my corner of the world we have a saying that translates to "conversations are like cherry", meaning you can't have just one, you just keep on going, on to other branches.

[Admiral Halsey]

Originally Posted by BrucePartington

A. Halsey has a point. His thread was indeed hijacked.
For my contribution to that, I apologize.

I guess it's just human nature. In my corner of the world we have a saying that translates to "conversations are like cherry", meaning you can't have just one, you just keep on going, on to other branches.

Don't worry about it. In fact this is the first thread anywhere I have ever posted to get hijacked so i'm actually honored by it.