Spanish train crash

Wolferz · 07-25-13, 08:16 AM

Drivin that train
High on cocaine
Casey Jones you better watch your speed
Trouble ahead
Trouble behind
And you know that notion just crossed my mind
~Jerry Garcia~

Doesn't it always boil down to human error?

My condolences to the victims.

Oberon · 07-25-13, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolferz

Doesn't it always boil down to human error?

In some shape or form, we design the system, make it and and maintain it, although sometimes things outside our control cause disasters, natural events, electrical faults, that kind of thing.

Wolferz · 07-25-13, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberon

In some shape or form, we design the system, make it and and maintain it, although sometimes things outside our control cause disasters, natural events, electrical faults, that kind of thing.

Best laid plans of mice and men and all that rot.

Kptlt. Neuerburg · 07-25-13, 10:22 AM

Machines and technology cannot eliminate the factor of human error. What I'm wondering is, if the ETCS ended before the bend why isn't there a part of the line to reduce speed a certain distance before reaching the bend? If the speed on the straight is 125, then a reduction in speed to around 70 or 65mph before the turn should be called for which would make it much easier and safer to enter the turn at 50. Trains don't stop on a dime, let alone slow down on a whim.

Jimbuna · 07-25-13, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Hellmut Neuerburg

Machines and technology cannot eliminate the factor of human error. What I'm wondering is, if the ETCS ended before the bend why isn't there a part of the line to reduce speed a certain distance before reaching the bend? If the speed on the straight is 125, then a reduction in speed to around 70 or 65mph before the turn should be called for which would make it much easier and safer to enter the turn at 50. Trains don't stop on a dime, let alone slow down on a whim.

I agree....an extra safeguard before the bend may have prevented this disaster....something to override human error.

BossMark · 07-25-13, 10:46 AM

The link actually shows the train taking the bend at high speed and well you know what happened next............

http://news.sky.com/story/1120288/sp...saster-emerges

Platapus · 07-25-13, 02:22 PM

A railroad car, being lighter, and having a higher center of gravity, than the engine, it is not surprising it was the first to derail. What a horrible accident.

07-25-13, 08:16 AM	#1
Wolferz Navy Seal Join Date: May 2007 Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth Posts: 5,963 Downloads: 52 Uploads: 0	Drivin that train High on cocaine Casey Jones you better watch your speed Trouble ahead Trouble behind And you know that notion just crossed my mind ~Jerry Garcia~ Doesn't it always boil down to human error? My condolences to the victims. __________________ Tomorrow never comes

07-25-13, 10:22 AM	#4
Kptlt. Neuerburg Admiral Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,282 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	Machines and technology cannot eliminate the factor of human error. What I'm wondering is, if the ETCS ended before the bend why isn't there a part of the line to reduce speed a certain distance before reaching the bend? If the speed on the straight is 125, then a reduction in speed to around 70 or 65mph before the turn should be called for which would make it much easier and safer to enter the turn at 50. Trains don't stop on a dime, let alone slow down on a whim. __________________ "When you're born into this world, you're given a ticket to the freak show. If you're born in America you get a front row seat." - George Carlin

07-25-13, 10:46 AM	#6
BossMark Fleet Admiral Join Date: May 2011 Location: Leeds, West Yorkshire Posts: 15,272 Downloads: 278 Uploads: 0	The link actually shows the train taking the bend at high speed and well you know what happened next............ http://news.sky.com/story/1120288/sp...saster-emerges __________________ Never trust the Tories look what Thatcher and Major did in the 80s and 90s and look what the wicked witch May is doing now doing now

07-25-13, 02:22 PM	#7
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,447 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	A railroad car, being lighter, and having a higher center of gravity, than the engine, it is not surprising it was the first to derail. What a horrible accident. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.