Just when thought he could not stoop any lower...

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

Okay, perhaps it's personal but it's a question I always ask, some black friends of mine have been very candid. This is why can't paint everyone with the same brush, even if there is a majority in any group, etc.

Obviously, you do not have a victim mentality.May I ask, how did this come about? Were you parents the type that taught you better or did you reach this on your own, seeing how absurd and ridiculous it is ?

I think about school every time I discuss this case as we had some intense discussions last year when this case first broke. Most black students had victim mentality, but a few were objective and fair enough to say "sounds like self defense to me". I am sure when classes resume in the fall there will be plenty of discussion.

I look at it through my way of growing as well. I was raised in church, to believe in god etc all that. Not hardcore christians or anything but typical while southern suburban people. I, on my own grew away from it and am an atheist.No major event or anything, just saw it all as a load of crap.Meeting other atheists, that is the path most take, but some were fortunate their parents didnt push religion on them from a young age.This make me curious when I meet someone from the AA community who does not buy into the racist crap.

Who would you be more angry at if you were taken from your native home land and brought to another country? The man from the North in that country who sold you or the man from the South who bought you?

I grew up outside Atlanta, GA. My great great grandfather, a black man, fought for the South during the US Civil war. His father before him was a slave and his father before him was brought to America on a slave ship and sold out of Boston, MA. to a Southern plantation owner in Alabama.

My father explained it to me very well when I was younger. There's more evil in selling a man than owning him. He also explained to me how the 3/5th compromise was worked out. The North wanted to abolish slavery. They already got the Southern man's money. They also wanted to Unionize the states. The South didn't agree with Unionizing unless the black slaves in the South could vote but they also wanted to keep their slaves. They paid for them after all. Don't you like to keep the possessions you paid for? I know I do.

A slave back then was worth what you'd pay for a car today. Imagine if you paid for a car and then the man you bought it from said, "Well, I don't agree with you owning that car anymore I sold you". You'd not like that either. Especially after that same man had already gotten your money and wasn't going to give that money back to you for what you'd already paid him for the car.

So the North created the "3/5ths compromise". This would allow the folks in the South to keep their slaves and would Unionize the states. But the black man was not allowed to vote as part of the conditions of the compromise. But once the states became Unionized the North once again wanted to renege on that 3/5th compromise as well and abolish slavery. In turn the Southern states attempted to secede from the Union as that was a condition of the 3/5ths compromise in the first place. But then you know the rest. Lincoln didn't like the South trying to leave his tyrannical control and the War of Union aggression began.

While I don't like the idea of slavery I can understand the white man in the South's position better than I can the white man in the North. Let us not forget that once the North won the war they still didn't give blacks full equal rights for many many years after. It was all a money grab in my opinion. My American ancestry gets it's family name from the man who paid for us, put us to work, fed us, educated us, and sheltered us. It was passed down that he was a good man.

The (mis)treatment of slaves in the South. Most of it is inaccurate. There's lots of stories but what many don't realize is that many blacks of the time were not civilized and earned their beatings by committing uncivilized acts on other slaves such as a male slave raping a female slave. A slave master had an obligation to punish that slave harshly in front of the rest so they would learn to not do that. What they did in Africa was no longer tolerated in America. Very few slave masters just beat slaves just to beat them. You wouldn't buy a car just to smash it all up. If the car acted up you might get out of it and kick it.

I feel like much of the truth has been covered up by the winner of the war. They made themselves out to be Saints and act like they did the black man a favor. But really they just wanted to deport us back to Africa. They got their money from the rich men of the South and wanted to deport us back to Africa. There's evidence that's what Lincoln wanted to do.

So I consider myself an educated black man. I've heard all sides of the story but I go with what my father told me about it because he got it from his father before him and so on. That carries the most weight with me.

Many blacks were not educated until long after the war. So they've only heard the side of the story the North wanted them to hear. But many have forgotten it was them who sold us into slavery to being with. Almost all slaves were sold out of New York and Boston.

So that's my deal and why I've always supported more conservative values. I often get asked, "Are you saying you want to be a slave? The North did you a favor!" No they didn't. Stop lying to yourselves. And no, nobody wants to be a slave but at least the white man in the South that paid for us found value in us and put us to work and put a roof over our heads and fed us. There was more evil in those who sold us to the Southern white man. Never forget it.