Another one bites the dust (787)

[MH]

...But following your logic we would still have T-34s and DC-3s .

When it comes to computers MS Dos is the best operating system considering the usual whining every time new OS comes out....

Some ideas are better than other in hindsight but what will become of 787 is yet to be seen.
I'm sure the best of minds(not prophets) are working on solutions to this issue so it is early for passing judgments here.
I agree though that it may be fun sometimes.

Boening had issues with some earlier planes as did Aerobus , at the end it all came together.

[HundertzehnGustav]

after a few hundred people had payd the price for the errors commited by others.

;-)

Plane not bad! looking sharp there in fact.
needs more testing!

[MH]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

after a few hundred people had payd the price for the errors commited by others.
!

True.
Also pay attention , things got much better compared to 60s and 70s in the way the planes are designed and put into service.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MH

...But following your logic we would still have T-34s and DC-3s . .

Pah, i'd prefer a flight with a DC3 anytime, to any modern jetliner
And my car at least sounds like a T34

And regarding over-electrification, the Airbus is as bad as the 787. The accident happening to the 777 recently was based on an automated thrust landing, especially the far eastern airlines try to automate everything. The Airbus also has that of course, and had its own share of problems with it.

When it comes to my personal preferences, i would take an older hydraulic-controlled and well-maintained Boeing from the 1980ies, with a russian pilot. I take it this combination would have the highest survival rate

[HundertzehnGustav]

okay...?!! why a russian pilot?

[MH]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

okay...?!! why a russian pilot?

Hydraulics ....

[Catfish]

^ 'xactly, that's what i had in mind

[Oberon]

American components

Russian components

ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

American components

Russian components

ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!!

Usually China these days

[Skybird]

German news Die Welt refers to British official investigation reports, quoting that the Brits make again issues with the Lithium batteries linked to the emergency transponder responsible for the fire. Report says that fires in that part of the plane cannot be extinguished in mid flight since the extinguishers cannot reach there, and thus this fire could have led to disaster if it had happened in midair, over the Atlantic - less than one third of incidents with such fires ended with anything less than total loss of the plane, says an earlier British report on such flight accidents which gets also referred to.

The batteries again. Quelle surprise.

Are jobs and profits still more important than lives, or when will they ground these damn planes, finally? The neon-red, bold-printed, capital lettered writing on the wall does not become any clearer. The electrical system is bull. Just this: bull. You pushed that dependency too far, Boeing, and with too inapt energy carriers.

[Skybird]

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/articl...geloescht.html

It is about Japanese airline All Nippon Airlines having discovered wrong wiring in the firing extinguishers aboard one of its 787s. In case of an engine fire it would have caused the fire extinguisher emptying into the intact engine, leaving the burning one untackled. After that find, ANA examined all its 787s and found the same mistake in two more planes. ANA rival Japan Airlines rated the findings so serious that they called back midair flights by their own 787s.

Meanwhile it was reported that a 787 by Quatar Airliners was grounded for ten days as well.

World's first burn-by-wire jet, really.

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Skybird

German news Die Welt refers to British official investigation reports, quoting that the Brits make again issues with the Lithium batteries linked to the emergency transponder responsible for the fire. Report says that fires in that part of the plane cannot be extinguished in mid flight since the extinguishers cannot reach there, and thus this fire could have led to disaster if it had happened in midair, over the Atlantic - less than one third of incidents with such fires ended with anything less than total loss of the plane, says an earlier British report on such flight accidents which gets also referred to.

The batteries again. Quelle surprise.

Are jobs and profits still more important than lives, or when will they ground these damn planes, finally? The neon-red, bold-printed, capital lettered writing on the wall does not become any clearer. The electrical system is bull. Just this: bull. You pushed that dependency too far, Boeing, and with too inapt energy carriers.

Of course! look at the O ring on the Challenger. The safest plane is a Cessna 172...when I'm not in it- "clear prop magneto on" (allright master switch)! Imagine my shock one time when on pre flight inspection, I found the prop hub bolts not wired!!! and the certified mechanic, who cleared the plane, said he'd "get to it.!!" He is no longer certified and my hand still hurts; and I'm in VIIB's now. My landing in front of the now defunct 98th aerosquadron theme restaurant at a certain airport was a classic-flat mainspar tire-the thud tripped my emer. xmitter.... Two rules: anyone you walk away from is a good one and it's the little things that kill you-tighten those gas caps on the upper wing slipstream after the fueler is done.