Hey look! the FBI and NSA are data-mining and analyzing your data!

[Betonov]

Next time I type with Redoctober over Skype I should use more words like BOMB and INVASION. Maybe throw in the Slovene Perun project

That'll keep them looking at the map

The Governor of my home state(Florida) just removed the Liberty County Sheriff from office and had him arrested, for what? Standing up for second amendment rights.

You mean he was removed for releasing someone being held for a felony, then destroying the police paperwork relating to the incident.

There is a phrase for cops like that, vile corrupt scum.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

Hey look! the FBI and NSA are data-mining and analyzing your data![

I'm flattered actually. I didn't think anybody cared.

[MH]

FBI must be all over GT and if Skybird disappears in mysterious way(drone attack?) then you know...Orwell was right.

[desertstriker]

What is pitiful is that it is completely legal under the patriot act.

[Wolferz]

We in America have no rights.
We have privileges. Privileges that can be curtailed at the drop of a hat or a fat friggin lie.

If you need proof...
Go to Wikipedia and search for Japanese/Americans 1942. Thousands of citizens, born here, were rounded up and placed in internment camps simply because their parents were born in a country that declared war on us. No accusations, no warrants, no jury trial, no due process. Just, we see you as a threat to the public order and now you're free to walk into this camp we made for you for an indefinite period of time. It's for your own safety.

Our government and its agencies are riddled with paranoid psychopathic liars that are afraid of their own shadows. Considering the way they keep trampling on the constitution, I don't wonder at it.

They can monitor anything they want because I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince them of their errors.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by MH

FBI must be all over GT and if Skybird disappears in mysterious way(drone attack?) then you know...Orwell was right.

Could that be the reason, that we haven't seen Yubba for a while

Markus

[Wolferz]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Could that be the reason, that we haven't seen Yubba for a while

Markus

The Yubba who knew too much?

[desertstriker]

Originally Posted by Wolferz

We in America have no rights.
We have privileges. Privileges that can be curtailed at the drop of a hat or a fat friggin lie.

If you need proof...
Go to Wikipedia and search for Japanese/Americans 1942. Thousands of citizens, born here, were rounded up and placed in internment camps simply because their parents were born in a country that declared war on us. No accusations, no warrants, no jury trial, no due process. Just, we see you as a threat to the public order and now you're free to walk into this camp we made for you for an indefinite period of time. It's for your own safety.

Our government and its agencies are riddled with paranoid psychopathic liars that are afraid of their own shadows. Considering the way they keep trampling on the constitution, I don't wonder at it.

They can monitor anything they want because I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince them of their errors.

don't forget about the red scare of the 50s where respectable citizens would loose everything because of possible political affiliation.

[Wolferz]

don't forget about the red scare of the 50s where respectable citizens would loose everything because of possible political affiliation.

The days of McCarthy. Who could forget? The sixties were a trip. Pardon my pun. Nuclear arms racing. Government promoting the constant scare tactic of a nuclear holocaust. The old kill a commie for your mommy mentality. That one was still prevalent through the late eighties. At least until the USSR had its' economic back broken. The big wigs in DC gasped when that happened because they didn't have a fear carrot to dangle anymore. So, they invent a new scare. Radical Muslim Jihad. Cementing it in place with commercial aircraft and a media blitz. Wars blossoming like top fourty hits, using invented threats.

[Catfish]

"The old kill a commie for your mommy mentality. That one was still prevalent through the early nineties. At least until the USSR had its' economic back broken. The big wigs in DC gasped when that happened because they didn't have a fear carrot to dangle anymore. So, they invent a new scare. Radical Muslim Jihad. Cementing it in place with commercial aircraft and a media blitz. Wars blossoming like top fourty hits"

Ok then i think it is pretty obvious. However if it is so easy, why don't anyone protest ?
Is the 'patriot act' even legal ?

USA: One nation. Under surveillance.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by MH

FBI must be all over GT and if Skybird disappears in mysterious way(drone attack?) then you know...Orwell was right.

Don't tease.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by soopaman2

Silly. I take nothing partisan from this, it only affirms my belief of the firm need for a constitutional convention, and a purge of the house and congress.

We already have a purge of the Senate, every six years, and the house, every two years.

If the people choose, and it is their choice, not to exercise their right to replace their representatives, that's not the government's fault.

No Senator or Representative is ever automatically re-elected. None. The citizens choose to keep the same congresscritters in office at a rate above 90%.

Who is really at fault?

We have met the enemy and it is us.

[desertstriker]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Ok then i think it is pretty obvious. However if it is so easy, why don't anyone protest ?
Is the 'patriot act' even legal ?

USA: One nation. Under surveillance.

you have reached the heart of the problem haven't you. The main problem is that when it came out those that had the issue with it where considered unamerican and where called such and now those people that called others unamerican are complaining. the main problem is it suspends 7 out of 10 bill of rights IIRC the second amendment not being one of them.

As to why people don't protest look at what happened during occupy wall street.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Is the 'patriot act' even legal ?

Some provisions have been declared unconstitutional at the lower courts. Other provisions have never been challenged in court.

There have been provisions of the USAPATRIOT Act that have been reviewed by the SCOTUS and have been up held as being constitutional.

There is a presumption that all laws passed by congress are, by default, constitutional until proven otherwise in court. I don't personally agree with that presumption but it is the way it is.