UK faces court over migrant benefits

05-31-13, 06:05 AM

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Tell them to piss off its our bloody country if they don't pay in then they shouldn't get bugger all back

Make sure you don't let facts get in the way of your nationalist rant.
You sound jst like like IDS

BossMark · 05-31-13, 06:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

You sound jst like like IDS

Not possible I speak with my heart, its impossible for IDS to do that as he don't have one

Skybird · 05-31-13, 06:50 AM

It has become so totally unimaginable for me why people should have the right to demand payments when they never contributed in return.

If only Atlas would shrug. If only he would.

Jimbuna · 05-31-13, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

It has become so totally unimaginable for me why people should have the right to demand payments when they never contributed in return.

If only Atlas would shrug. If only he would.

Well I'd certainly like to see that being the definitive position. A bit like Australia unless they've relaxed the rules in recent years.

STEED · 05-31-13, 08:51 AM

The EU is a criminally corrupt, so corrupt they make the Mafia look honest.

BossMark · 05-31-13, 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by STEED

The EU is a criminally corrupt, so corrupt they make the Mafia look honest.

I suppose the same could be said about my boss

STEED · 05-31-13, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by BossMark

I suppose the same could be said about my boss

What!...the famous Don of Leeds!

Dan D · 05-31-13, 09:06 AM

Yea, EU citizens who can claim social security in other EU countries and the countries associated with the EU which are Iceland. Lichtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. That sounds as if the EU law would be offerering great opportunities for people like you and me, does not it?

But, believe me. I have checked that already years ago.

Do you really think that I would be that stupid to be sitting here in my office right now and be posting to you if I could claim social security in other EU countries without having paid contributions to the social security scheme of that country before?

If that would be possible, I would have years ago quit working forever and would have already moved to a sunny and warm place with beaches somewhere in a French or British Oversea territory which is part of the EU , too., let say the Caribian Martinique for example, and would be living on social benefits/welfare there, as I don't need much, just a coconut and a bit of rum or red wine here and there.

Such a plan has a flaw unfortunately: the freedom of movement to any EU country and Liechtenstein, Norway, Schwitzerland and Icleand is limited for people who are unemployed. You need to have enough own funds to live without depending on social benefits/welfare to reside somewhere else. Otherwhise they throw you out of the country.

What have I been thinking? Bossmark has decribed it correctly.

Oberon · 05-31-13, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Make sure you don't let facts get in the way of your nationalist rant.
You sound jst like like IDS

Welcome to UK 2013 plc
Please leave all facts at the door.

Skybird · 05-31-13, 12:36 PM

In my thinking ther eis no unlimited freedom of movement. You have that in ground/land that is not possessed by somebody. If you want to move on or thorugh land or on streets owed by soembody, you have to ask the owner for permission.

In an ideal world, it would be private peple possessing the land, the road build on it, and it would be them deciding whether a road would be build at all. Unfortunately the democratic polit-mafia has destroyed that ideal. People no longer have the right to act in full proprietary rights over their property, and roads have been enforced to reach them and to make them object of blackmailing them for protection money. The so-called "state" now owns roads which are build by these protection moneys. And for that reason alone the "state" enforces migration being allowed to flow on these roads, no matter whether the natives having land bordering these roads want that or not.

It's all a very sick and criminal system. And the state-arrangement has enforced this to allow antisocial parasites - politicians and administrators - to live at the cost of the community and command it where their commanding is not needed and the local people in a place all by themselves could decide in which way they cooperate and push an traffic infrastructure across their property. Why people in Hamburg are taxed in order to pay for a road in Bavaria, is beyond me. The new road through that Bavarian village should be decided on and payed for exclusively by those sharing a border with it or needing to allow it leading over their property. How can a state own ground and land and property? The state is - nothing but a hypothetical construction claimed by politicians and profiteers to be the latest dress of the kind where the kind inf act already walks naked.

The right and guarantee for private property is the basis of anything worth to be called an order based on the principle of freedom. That's why the communist utopia, where nobody owns anything but all own everything, necessarily will lead, always, to centralised dictatorship and totalitarianism, as well overboarding bureaucracy and a phlegmatic attitude in people where nobody feels responsible for anything anymore but all make claims for what they demand, and instead everybody must improvise in a system that increasingly rots and falls apart. It'S a human basic truth: we care more for what is ours and what is our family and property,m than for what is not ours, and is not our family or tribe. They can try social engineering as much as they want, those leftist world-improving wannabe tyrants - they will fail, every time. Reality and natural law never bend to ideological demands.

If somebody thinks this all is a bit far-fetched or disconnected from the thread, he better thinks again.

tat501 · 06-01-13, 01:57 PM

Dan D is right, you have to have employment, or the ability to support yourself or else you are not a "worker" and so not entitled to the freedom of movement of workers.

This is probably a short term (in the eyes of the EUSSR at least) measure which, when we all adopt the new full constitution that will come back in a few years time after the Eurozone crisis is sorted (by mass political integration and closer union no doubt rather than collapse no doubt!) when we will all be seen as one greater socialist state.

Welcome to the largest communist state on Earth we will be able to say in 2020...

Come on Atlas....just shrug already! We can do it if enough people wake up!

06-01-13, 02:49 PM

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Dan D is right, you have to have employment, or the ability to support yourself or else you are not a "worker" and so not entitled to the freedom of movement of workers.

In case you missed a little teeny weeny itsy bitsy detail, it is being applied to workers too.
Now if you can explain how a worker isn't a "worker" you may have a point.

bertieck476 · 06-03-13, 04:07 AM

There are many thousands of "workers" in the uk who still require benefits of one kind or another and if they do have the right to reside then they are entitled to it.

06-03-13, 04:47 AM

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There are many thousands of "workers" in the uk who still require benefits of one kind or another and if they do have the right to reside then they are entitled to it.

Thats the key, most of those benefits and tax allowances in question are claimed by people who are working.

05-31-13, 06:50 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	It has become so totally unimaginable for me why people should have the right to demand payments when they never contributed in return. If only Atlas would shrug. If only he would. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

05-31-13, 08:51 AM	#5
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	The EU is a criminally corrupt, so corrupt they make the Mafia look honest. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!

05-31-13, 09:06 AM	#8
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Yea, EU citizens who can claim social security in other EU countries and the countries associated with the EU which are Iceland. Lichtenstein, Norway and Switzerland. That sounds as if the EU law would be offerering great opportunities for people like you and me, does not it? But, believe me. I have checked that already years ago. Do you really think that I would be that stupid to be sitting here in my office right now and be posting to you if I could claim social security in other EU countries without having paid contributions to the social security scheme of that country before? If that would be possible, I would have years ago quit working forever and would have already moved to a sunny and warm place with beaches somewhere in a French or British Oversea territory which is part of the EU , too., let say the Caribian Martinique for example, and would be living on social benefits/welfare there, as I don't need much, just a coconut and a bit of rum or red wine here and there. Such a plan has a flaw unfortunately: the freedom of movement to any EU country and Liechtenstein, Norway, Schwitzerland and Icleand is limited for people who are unemployed. You need to have enough own funds to live without depending on social benefits/welfare to reside somewhere else. Otherwhise they throw you out of the country. What have I been thinking? Bossmark has decribed it correctly. __________________

05-31-13, 12:36 PM	#10
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,687 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In my thinking ther eis no unlimited freedom of movement. You have that in ground/land that is not possessed by somebody. If you want to move on or thorugh land or on streets owed by soembody, you have to ask the owner for permission. In an ideal world, it would be private peple possessing the land, the road build on it, and it would be them deciding whether a road would be build at all. Unfortunately the democratic polit-mafia has destroyed that ideal. People no longer have the right to act in full proprietary rights over their property, and roads have been enforced to reach them and to make them object of blackmailing them for protection money. The so-called "state" now owns roads which are build by these protection moneys. And for that reason alone the "state" enforces migration being allowed to flow on these roads, no matter whether the natives having land bordering these roads want that or not. It's all a very sick and criminal system. And the state-arrangement has enforced this to allow antisocial parasites - politicians and administrators - to live at the cost of the community and command it where their commanding is not needed and the local people in a place all by themselves could decide in which way they cooperate and push an traffic infrastructure across their property. Why people in Hamburg are taxed in order to pay for a road in Bavaria, is beyond me. The new road through that Bavarian village should be decided on and payed for exclusively by those sharing a border with it or needing to allow it leading over their property. How can a state own ground and land and property? The state is - nothing but a hypothetical construction claimed by politicians and profiteers to be the latest dress of the kind where the kind inf act already walks naked. The right and guarantee for private property is the basis of anything worth to be called an order based on the principle of freedom. That's why the communist utopia, where nobody owns anything but all own everything, necessarily will lead, always, to centralised dictatorship and totalitarianism, as well overboarding bureaucracy and a phlegmatic attitude in people where nobody feels responsible for anything anymore but all make claims for what they demand, and instead everybody must improvise in a system that increasingly rots and falls apart. It'S a human basic truth: we care more for what is ours and what is our family and property,m than for what is not ours, and is not our family or tribe. They can try social engineering as much as they want, those leftist world-improving wannabe tyrants - they will fail, every time. Reality and natural law never bend to ideological demands. If somebody thinks this all is a bit far-fetched or disconnected from the thread, he better thinks again. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-01-13, 01:57 PM	#11
tat501 Helmsman Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: London Posts: 108 Downloads: 275 Uploads: 0	Dan D is right, you have to have employment, or the ability to support yourself or else you are not a "worker" and so not entitled to the freedom of movement of workers. This is probably a short term (in the eyes of the EUSSR at least) measure which, when we all adopt the new full constitution that will come back in a few years time after the Eurozone crisis is sorted (by mass political integration and closer union no doubt rather than collapse no doubt!) when we will all be seen as one greater socialist state. Welcome to the largest communist state on Earth we will be able to say in 2020... Come on Atlas....just shrug already! We can do it if enough people wake up!

06-03-13, 04:07 AM	#13
bertieck476 Chief Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 327 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	There are many thousands of "workers" in the uk who still require benefits of one kind or another and if they do have the right to reside then they are entitled to it.