Boy Scouts of America votes to ease ban on gay members

[August]

Back in my day the BSA wasn't about sex, let alone gay sex. It'll be sad if the Scout organization tears itself apart over this issue and that's what i'm afraid will happen.

[AVGWarhawk]

Promotional tool?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by August

Back in my day the BSA wasn't about sex, let alone gay sex. It'll be sad if the Scout organization tears itself apart over this issue and that's what i'm afraid will happen.

Its not the same scouts as it was when i was in either

we earned knives and badges etc.

We learned important wilderness skills as kids... today its totally different. I doubt they even give knives anymore

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Its not the same scouts as it was when i was in either

we earned knives and badges etc.

We learned important wilderness skills as kids... today its totally different. I doubt they even give knives anymore

Sensitivity training.

Sex with boys banned? I would have thought that was obvious.

Obvious?
Spell it out.

[Armistead]

I enjoyed being a BS for 3 years.

I'm not sure how I would feel about gay scout leaders. My issue is, least when I was in scouts, we often had to dress, take showers together. We went on long trips into the woods. Not sure I would want a male sexually attracted to males partaking of such with my teen son.

My issue is, least when I was in scouts, we often had to dress, take showers together.

So its the same as a sports team would do.
Do you support a ban on gays playing team sports or would you just settle for a ban on the coaches and other staff?

[soopaman2]

So who is in charge of this organization and makes such decisions to ban homosexuals?
(Now so kindly retract it, only after massive critisizm)
I want his name. Who is the big "pecker" of this organization?

He can use a trolling from 4 chan...

I have a sneaking suspicion this is based on some misinterpreted verse in the bible, and the head honchos personal opinion.

Guess what book of Leviticus, anti gay bible citers...

You can't eat pork or shelfish either, nor can you "pull out" during intercourse.

But ya know, pick and choose. pick and choose.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So its the same as a sports team would do.
Do you support a ban on gays playing team sports or would you just settle for a ban on the coaches and other staff?

Thought this was about the BS? The issue for me is having adults attracted to the same sex being in situations where my childs body would be exposed. We don't put male coaches in the girls high school locker room because of sexual reasons. Sorry, if one is an adult gay male, I don't see how sexual tension wouldn't arise being alone with naked male teens. It's not fair to either party.

When I was in the scouts, when we went camping we often used open public showers. Would you want an open adult gay scout leader doing such with your child? How about sleeping in the same tent with your child? If the leader was open, the kids would know it, so it's not fair to expose them to that.

This issue is about children, not adults in sports, in which I have no problem with the gay issue.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

I enjoyed being a BS for 3 years.

I'm not sure how I would feel about gay scout leaders. My issue is, least when I was in scouts, we often had to dress, take showers together. We went on long trips into the woods. Not sure I would want a male sexually attracted to males partaking of such with my teen son.

I was in the BS from Cub Scout to Webelos. We never showered together. However, middle school and high school, taking a shower after gym was mandatory. It was a community shower/ Back in the day in local schools swimming was done completely naked. They did not want wet swimming trunks left in the lockers. I never knew if any of the others in my class were sexually attracted to other males. There is no sign on their chest that states they prefer males.

There simply is no easy answer.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was in the BS from Cub Scout to Webelos. We never showered together. However, middle school and high school, taking a shower after gym was mandatory. It was a community shower/ Back in the day in local schools swimming was done completely naked. They did not want wet swimming trunks left in the lockers. I never knew if any of the others in my class were sexually attracted to other males. There is no sign on their chest that states they prefer males.

There simply is no easy answer.

Right.In the military in basic and some times in deployed locations you have to shower with other men.I had no way of knowing if any of the people that where showering at the same as me where gay or straight or whatever.As you say not everyone wears it on their sleeve you can not be sure of a persons sexual preference.The stereotype is that a gay man is feminine and speaks with a lisp and walks around like a dandy.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I was in the BS from Cub Scout to Webelos. We never showered together. However, middle school and high school, taking a shower after gym was mandatory. It was a community shower/ Back in the day in local schools swimming was done completely naked. They did not want wet swimming trunks left in the lockers. I never knew if any of the others in my class were sexually attracted to other males. There is no sign on their chest that states they prefer males.

There simply is no easy answer.

Things may have changed, I know in the 70's, during long camping trips we often all used the same public showers. I recall once after a long dirty hike, we all used the open showers outside. It may be leaders don't shower with the scouts today. Still, you see a lot of nakedness, etc.

Again, for me it's more about sexual tension and risk regarding children with adults. As I said, you don't see male coaches in the girls locker room because they would be aroused by the girls nakedness. I don't see how a gay male scout leader could ignore seeing numerous naked male teens. We are aroused by what we're attracted to. It doesn't make the person bad, just not the right situation for adults and children to be in.

If we're honest, if a open gay scout leader came to pick up your 15 year old son to take out into the woods for a 7 day trip, thoughts of concern would cross your mind. This isn't band camp, etc....

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Armistead

. Not sure I would want a male sexually attracted to males partaking of such with my teen son.

You are assuming that gays are attracted to every single male they see.

[garren]

Originally Posted by Platapus

You are assuming that gays are attracted to every single male they see.

No more than people feeling uncomfortable with males teaching in daycares or sitting next to strange men on airplanes or boys showering with girls in gym class. Not every male is attracted to every female just the same but society has chosen to "protect" the comforts of those who are uncomfortable for a reason. But now society seems to be forcing gays on straight males and mixing them in an environment that makes straight males uncomfortable while gay boys get the privilege of looking at tons of male butt every day - much of it they may very well be attracted to. And if a straight male feel violated and beats the tar out of a gay male then I'm sure the straight male will get hit up with "hate crime" charges. It's totally unfair.

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Obvious?
Spell it out.

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