U.S. Military ‘Power Grab’ Goes Into Effect

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Actually the fact that it involved Cubans did make a bit of sense the Soviets would have to use Cuba as an FOB for its airborne forces to be able to load up on IL-76s and drop over the US.

That's what I was thinking...But...In the movie, Soviet paratroopers land in Colorado. The IL-76 doesn't have that kind of range to get to Colorado and back does it?

Even if it did, how did it get past Radar? NORAD and stuff.... Would they have flown in the commercial lanes and pretended to be airliners? If they did that, how could they have gotten that far?

Cuba would make sense as an FOB but wouldn't you think they would go for the East Coast and Gulf Coast rather than Colorado?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

That's what I was thinking...But...In the movie, Soviet paratroopers land in Colorado. The IL-76 doesn't have that kind of range to get to Colorado and back does it?

Even if it did, how did it get past Radar? NORAD and stuff.... Would they have flown in the commercial lanes and pretended to be airliners? If they did that, how could they have gotten that far?

Cuba would make sense as an FOB but wouldn't you think they would go for the East Coast and Gulf Coast rather than Colorado?

You really expect Hollywood to think of that stuff? And they could simply go on a one way mission so its not outside the realm of possibility.The SAC B-52s that would have been a one way mission.

As you say an enemy would target industrial areas if they where planning on taking control of another country.

An internal war is much more feasible all though even that would be unlikely because there just are not enough truly dedicated combatants the people really into such acts right now a total wing nuts and only in small numbers and they would lack the support of the general population not because they dislike the government but because they typically racist organizations and most people have a problem with that.

I for one would be more than willing to resist an oppressive government but I have as much of a problem with racists so if they where active in a fictionalized US civil war situation they would be in my sights just the same as someone wearing the uniform of a tyrannical government in that case the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.One tyrannical ideology replacing another sounds bad to me.

I had a "friend" in the USAF once tell me all sorts of things "Turner Dairy" sort of things and things about how wonderful Hitler and the Nazis where.I guess he thought I felt the same way as he did not sure why at the time I was married to a Korean woman and he knew this. Of course some Koreans are a bit racist.

Anyway I did not say anything to him nor did I mention it because there where others like him got to watch your back and all.Thier where also a lot generally anti-government folks in the military that where not wing nuts or racists and there there where also hard core government loyalists.So myself in my experience I dont put faith in the idea that every vet will be on the same page if certain events where to happen.In the end you have to believe in what you believe in and stand up for it.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

You really expect Hollywood to think of that stuff? And they could simply go on a one way mission so its not outside the realm of possibility.The SAC B-52s that would have been a one way mission.

As you say an enemy would target industrial areas if they where planning on taking control of another country.

I don't expect Hollywood to know the difference between a pistol and a submachine gun. Sometimes they surprise me when they throw night vision goggles into the mix. There was one time, they even knew which end of the gun to point at the enemy.

Joking aside, there have been some very well done war movies and there have been some terrible ones. It's all in how you look at it. You were in the military so you look at it from that point of view. The Average Civillian doesn't think in the way of tactics, realism, and plausibility when watching a movie. Me, I notice little things here and there but I try to watch the movie without thinking of tactics and stuff along those lines. One example would be U-571. The most hated submarine movie that exists. An Average Joe who doesn't know anything about submarines will like that movie but if you are Werner Bruckheim Commander of the U-379 you will look at it from a realistic point of view and probably hate it.

An internal war is much more feasible all though even that would be unlikely because there just are not enough truly dedicated combatants the people really into such acts right now a total wing nuts and only in small numbers and they would lack the support of the general population not because they dislike the government but because they typically racist organizations and most people have a problem with that.

I for one would be more than willing to resist an oppressive government but I have as much of a problem with racists so if they where active in a fictionalized US civil war situation they would be in my sights just the same as someone wearing the uniform of a tyrannical government in that case the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.One tyrannical ideology replacing another sounds bad to me.

None of it is good. If a war does break out and the American Nazi Party gains control, it'll just be another fight against another tyrant and the process will just repeat. Then, you have to think. I saw a stat on the KKK which puts it at about 3000 members right now. Let's say the American Nazi Party has 5000 and the Democrats/Republicans have 15,000. Let's say that 8,000 of those are armed.

8000 D/R vs. 3000 KKK vs. ANP's 5000. Then you have to think where the military and national guard will divide up.

Unless we become a minority in a big way, I don't see the racist groups winning an internal war. If they did, it wouldn't last long I would think. There are too many variables IMHO. You can't accurately predict something like this. There is always somebody out there who is against your way of thinking.

I may be dead wrong in my thinking...but looking at it objectively this is one possible way I can see things happening.

[Catfish]

Hi,

Originally Posted by mapuc

[...]
Why should the President or the American Government put USA into some kind of state of emergency. There's absolutely no reason for it.
Markus

Huh ? What is an emergency state for you ? The US are in a state of war, which allows any action be taken for limiting free speech and censorship, as using military and police forces against anything that might threaten the country. Remember the states of risk of a terror attack introduced then, like condition orange, red etc. ?
This is why it is called a WAR against terrorism. "Without an “outside enemy”, there could be no “war on terrorism”. "

Post-9/11 permanent state of war should have ended long ago:
http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...taliban-regime

9/11 AND AMERICA’S “WAR ON TERRORISM”:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/9-11-an...errorism/24975

America's never-ending war state:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/46979745/vp/50753972#50753972

Do you think any of the eavesdropping laws like the NSA reading every of you eMails woud have passed congress without an emergency ?

So it seems that some people might not like that, or the general conduct of this war policy, so here's for dealing with them. It is targeted at the left though, i take it the right wingers are perfectly ok with what the US does, and has done ? I mean ok it is Obama, but doesn't he do what Bush would have done, abroad ?

This comitatus thing (what a pompous nonsense name b.t.w.) - does anyone know what "comitatus" even means, in that respect ?!


I do not mean that: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_C..._(organization, but in the classical sense -

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I for one would be more than willing to resist an oppressive government but I have as much of a problem with racists so if they where active in a fictionalized US civil war situation they would be in my sights just the same as someone wearing the uniform of a tyrannical government in that case the enemy of my enemy is not my friend.One tyrannical ideology replacing another sounds bad to me.

Same here. Right now, any named "militia" in our society currently has two connotations associated with. Anti-government extremists and/or White Supremacists. If a movement to resist an oppressive government were to materialize, one would have to make sure it is properly constituted, less you throw your lot in with the nutjobs.

I had a "friend" in the USAF once tell me all sorts of things "Turner Dairy" sort of things and things about how wonderful Hitler and the Nazis where.I guess he thought I felt the same way as he did not sure why at the time I was married to a Korean woman and he knew this. Of course some Koreans are a bit racist.

I ran into my own dealings with racism in the USAF. Nothing as spectacular. I was stationed at Keesler for a year or so, and found out just how the southern boys stationed there really felt about some people. Thankfully, one day i learned i was "in the club" by virtue of not being black. "Yeah when we saw your name and heard you was coming, we thought you was black. But, you're alright". After I heard that, they were a little more open with me. I just kept my mouth shut. And koreans can be very racist themselves. They are a very proud and stupid people. I wonder if that comment is racism too?

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I wonder if that comment is racism too?

In America these days, if you open your mouth in an elevator full of African American people you are considered Racist.

It seems that way at least. Political Correctness is one of our major weaknesses IMO. You can't please everybody. You can do stuff politely without trying to please every group out there.

[Tchocky]

GT US Civil War Prediction Count

[Stealhead]

@Ducimus I think personally some people say a lot of racist talk but then they will also have a friend or co-worker that is the race they seem to dislike and they always have the "they are an exception" mentality.

One thing that has always bugged me is how people think that people down south are all prejudice.Man that really ticks me off.True we might have a history down here but other parts of the country where/are just as bad if not worse but that fact always gets swept under the rug.

@Red October I am not sure what makes you feel that even opening your mouth in the presence of a certain group of people automatically makes you racist.Don't complain about PC and then use the most PC term there is to to describe a certain race.

I use the term "black" because I have had many black friends and peers and that is the term that 95% of them use to describe themselves.At the same time I typically do not use a racial or ethnic term to describe someone unless it has some relevance to the topic at hand.


For example if I buy a car from a car salesman his race has no particular relevance if I where to describe to someone the event of buying the car.

I personally feel that focusing heavily on race/ethnicity when it has no true relevance plays heavily into the hands of both the PC nuts and the racists.

As to the whole civil war thing I think honestly that it is pretty unlikely.Sooner or later (hopefully sooner) enough Americans of all stripes will grow tired of governmental ineptness and vote accordingly and something will be done about our broken system and Congress members will no longer be able to draw their own district boundaries and they will change how elections will be funded so on so fourth.Like I have said before apathy is the worst human trait right now there are too many apathetic citizens.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Don't complain about PC and then use the most PC term there is to to describe a certain race.

That was a poor attempt at irony.


I generally say Black instead of African American. I've got black friends too.

There is something that really is strange. Have you ever wondered why it's okay for a black guy to call another one the N word but the moment a white guy says it you better call the NAACP?

There's these two black/african american/whatever you prefer guys on my baseball team. One is a player and the other one helps coach. They're both brothers. (They're family. I'm not being racist.) They refer to themselves as the N word and they even do to certain others they know and that's even how they refer to other blacks. There's another guy on my team who is a complete idiot and he decides to say "What's up my N" and he gets flattened by a punch.

Why is it okay to use derogatory terms for your own race but when somebody else uses it it's offensive. You see this in rap music and movies all the time.

A classic example is the scene from Rush Hour where Carter and Lee go to the pool hall/bar thing. Det. Carter (Black) walks into the bar and says "What's up my N" to the guy behind the counter and Det. Lee (Asian) walks in and says the same thing and then every black guy in there launches an attack. I've seen it in movies, music and real life.

Just one of the unanswered questions floating around in my head.

EDIT: WAIT! I passed 3000 posts 47 posts ago! I missed it! Dang...

[eddie]

I have a real hard time believing the NSA can read all our emails. With over 100 million computers in the US alone, along with all the tablets, cell phones, etc. Think of all the emails going around everyday, how the heck are they going to read them all. They might flag certain emails from certain groups or if the emails are going over seas on a regular basis, but everyones emails, everyday?
You'll never convince me that they can do that.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by eddie

You'll never convince me that they can do that.

Especially considering the NSA budget and the fact that they have a responsibility for monitoring a bunch of foreign countries.

[eddie]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Especially considering the NSA budget and the fact that they have a responsibility for monitoring a bunch of foreign countries.

And how many analysts do you think they would need to do that?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by eddie

And how many analysts do you think they would need to do that?

Quite a few actually. Computers, even if the NSA had enough, can only do part of the work.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by eddie

I have a real hard time believing the NSA can read all our emails. With over 100 million computers in the US alone, along with all the tablets, cell phones, etc. Think of all the emails going around everyday, how the heck are they going to read them all. They might flag certain emails from certain groups or if the emails are going over seas on a regular basis, but everyones emails, everyday?
You'll never convince me that they can do that.

ECHELON

This thing supposedly intercepts all of our electronic communication.

Yes, it might intercept and log it....but nobody will ever get around to reading it all. I would think that they have a list of "hot" words. When a certain number of those words shows up in an email they flag it for reading.

That's my guess.

Yes, it might intercept and log it....but nobody will ever get around to reading it all. I would think that they have a list of "hot" words. When a certain number of those words shows up in an email they flag it for reading.

That's my guess.

Its like the British system at Cheltenham which monitors phone calls in europe or made to europe.
Start every phone conversation with the word semtex and some poor analyst will have to listen to every detail of your everyday conversations.

Just one of the unanswered questions floating around in my head.

Red october, your question answers itself.