SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 05-05-13, 10:25 PM   #1
Feuer Frei!
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Valhalla
Posts: 5,295
Downloads: 141
Uploads: 17
Default Fellow Jobseekers Unite!

Snapshot:

I've recently (approx. 3 months ago) moved interstate to be with my parents and to assist in their well-being and to give care to my mother who has early stages of dementia.
I have always been employed and whilst being here in a city where i originally grew up, have had to get myself into the process of applying for jobs again. Ie. cover letters, resume updates, interviews, talking with recruitment agencies, welfare payments, networking and so on.
My profession is Restaurant management and have also got experience in retail, government departments, laboring, management courses, certificates which allow me to work in the above-mentioned industries and so forth.

The city i moved from is 2 and a half times bigger than the city i am now in, and i knew full-well that it was going to be tough to break into the labor force again, partly because i'd lived here for many years on and off and partly because the city is smaller and no major industries to speak of, a market base made of predominately 3 categories: 1) uni students 2) retirees and 3) unemployed.
I won't count the employed since that wouldn't make much sense in including them.

I have over the last 3 months applied for many positions, when i say many, i mean around 20 or so (which is a lot for this city).
This city is incredibly seasonal, ie. when the holidays are on, it's a very busy place, but when no holidays are on, it's extremely quiet.
Transient is another example of what this city is.

The positions i have applied for are well within the scope of my work history, therefore i am more than experienced to apply for these positions, being realistic in the application process, writing cover letters as requested (even when none are), ensuring the resume is tailored for the particular role i have applied for, with relevance the top priority, ensuring my referees are sound and in contact with me at all times, especially when they receive reference checks, ensuring no spelling mistakes when submitting resumes and cover letters, and all the other rules that go along with applying for a position.
So far, i have received 1 interview!
Out of more than 15 applications, 1 interview.
Now one could say that i am doing something wrong here, that either my resume is indicating irrelevant work history to the position i'm applying for, or that i have made the fatal mistake of including bad referees on my resume.
Not addressing the job criteria set out in the advert, bad spelling, not enough experience, etc etc.
None of these are the case, and i might add that that has been confirmed by employment agencies, friends who recruit in their current jobs etc.

So, we come to the point of this thread:
what can be done to increase my chances of obtaining an interview?
Do you have any tried and tested tips that you can share for other fellow job seekers?

In my defence, i will say that i am excellent in English, confident, outgoing nature, 10 years' experience in my main profession (and the bulk of the jobs i am applying for), excellent referees, credentials, proven track record, very good knowledge of the labour market and community, reliable transport, maturity, etc etc.
Now most of these are on the resume, with some of them one cannot show these on paper, since they are a interview stage process.

I'm scratching my head, wondering what the hell is going on with employers these days?
I have recruitment experience and know full well the time and effort that goes into screening applicants for a given position.
I also know fully well that not all applicants are suitable.
I also know fully well that some applicants can be over-qualified.
I am realistic, experienced in the recruitment process and know that i wouldn't hesitate to ring someone and get them in for an interview if they had 10 years' experience in the industry that i am recruiting in.
At least make a reference check, something.

So, any tips, strategies, hints, advice or otherwise that you may be able to give to me and others in a similar boat would be greatly appreciated.
__________________
"History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon

LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS
Feuer Frei! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 05:00 AM   #2
Vince82
Engineer
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: The Netherlands
Posts: 216
Downloads: 34
Uploads: 0
Default

Not only write down why you are qualified. But also write down why you want to work for that particular company, basically why you enthusiastic about it. Write down some things that show that you understand what that company is all about.
Vince82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 06:04 AM   #3
Betonov
Navy Seal
 
Betonov's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 8,647
Downloads: 26
Uploads: 0


Default

Lie if you have to. Small lies, the kind that make you look better than the rest but you can cover once you get the job.
Betonov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 07:24 AM   #4
Armistead
Rear Admiral
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: on the Dan
Posts: 10,880
Downloads: 364
Uploads: 0


Default

Can you move back to a bigger city? Some areas are simply depressed or don't have many jobs per the percent applying.
__________________

You see my dog don't like people laughing. He gets the crazy idea you're laughing at him. Now if you apologize like I know you're going to, I might convince him that you really didn't mean it.
Armistead is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 10:44 AM   #5
Wolferz
Navy Seal
 
Wolferz's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: On a mighty quest for the Stick of Truth
Posts: 5,963
Downloads: 52
Uploads: 0
Sounds to me like you've dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's.

It could be a matter of too much experience and the prospective employer may feel like you'll be unhappy with the pay or they might be looking for a less experienced candidate to be molded into what they're seeking.
When it comes to a resume, I always use the KISS method...
Keep It Simple Stupid.

Or you can try this...
If you are unable to dazzle them with your brilliance,then baffle them with bull scat.
__________________

Tomorrow never comes
Wolferz is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 11:21 AM   #6
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 190,584
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default

Selling oneself can often be one of the most daunting of tasks but looking at your OP I would say there is nothing outstanding missing but I hardly consider myself qualified seeing as how I've only had three or four employment interviews during my working life.

I wish you the very best of luck in your efforts
__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!

Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 01:09 PM   #7
Betonov
Navy Seal
 
Betonov's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Slovenia
Posts: 8,647
Downloads: 26
Uploads: 0


Default

I never had a job interview in my life.

When I worked in a florist shop and pizzeria it was a short term help for a friend.
I got my job in Seaway as one of the students working for an employment agency which was paid per student workhour, so the more of us they employed the more money they made. I managed to prove myself so I wasn't thrown out with the rest of the rabble.
Betonov is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 01:11 PM   #8
August
Wayfaring Stranger
 
August's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Massachusetts
Posts: 23,206
Downloads: 0
Uploads: 0


Default

Have you tried recontacting the companies you have already applied to?

I know of one employer who deliberately blows off a job seekers first contact to see if the person will try again. That's his judge of character and perseverance.

I know another employer who has hired people just on their demonstrated persistence. During the 2008 economic slump when nobody was being hired I had a graduate call a particular company once a week for almost 6 months. They were so impressed by his persistence they eventually created a job for him. He's still there years later.
__________________


Flanked by life and the funeral pyre. Putting on a show for you to see.
August is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 01:16 PM   #9
Madox58
Stowaway
 
Posts: n/a
Downloads:
Uploads:
Default

You may need to go through a temp thing to get a foot in the door.
I did that a few times before I went self-employed and ended up being hired full time as a full employee.

It bites, Yes. As the pay is always below what you'd get being hired outright.

Around here? You only get in through temp agencies.


You may also want to look at doing consulting or free-lance work.
It's worked for me in many cases in the past where I would not do the temp thing.

I've been self-employed since 1994 now and it's probably the hardest and best thing I've ever done.
  Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 03:01 PM   #10
Jimbuna
Chief of the Boat
 
Jimbuna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: 250 metres below the surface
Posts: 190,584
Downloads: 63
Uploads: 13


Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by privateer View Post

I've been self-employed since 1994 now and it's probably the hardest and best thing I've ever done.
Rgr that...when your in work the fruits of your labour are yours
__________________
Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
Oh my God, not again!!

Jimbuna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-13, 11:02 PM   #11
Feuer Frei!
Navy Seal
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Valhalla
Posts: 5,295
Downloads: 141
Uploads: 17
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Vince82 View Post
Not only write down why you are qualified. But also write down why you want to work for that particular company, basically why you enthusiastic about it. Write down some things that show that you understand what that company is all about.
Good tip. Thanks for that. Will keep that in mind. Although, having said that, that question comes up in the interview stage as well...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Armistead View Post
Can you move back to a bigger city? Some areas are simply depressed or don't have many jobs per the percent applying.
Not an option at this stage as my primary goal is to assist my parents in bettering their quality of life. Mum's dementia, my father's back problems, it all adds up.
If i were to pack up and move away, i would feel i betrayed them, even though they would never hold it against me.
It seems my mum hasn't got too much to go before the aged care facility calls her in.


Quote:
Originally Posted by August View Post
Have you tried recontacting the companies you have already applied to?
Absolutely. I follow up job applications, with ensuring that i don't overstep the fine line of giving off the impression i am pestering the employer, which can blow up in your face.
In fact i did just that, not recently but a few years back when i was inbetween jobs.
I had applied for a position by distance, and checked back on the process of the application, and was told a decision would be made to short-list for interviews by the following week.
I let the due date pass by a few days and rang to follow up. I was fortunate to get the HR Manager on the phone and he advised me that they are still making a decision. This is after 3 weeks, when they placed the ad.
No word of a lie, and i had my email client open whilst talking on the phone to him, within 2 mins. of that phone call ending, i received an email from him, saying that i had been unsuccessful at this time!
Now if that isn't suspicious then i don't know what is.
Point of the matter is, some people do NOT like applicants to check on the process of the application!
I was outraged that i was rewarded with a blunt rebuttal by being keen and following up on the app., i know that when i recruited that i rewarded the job seeker with an interview or at least a positive remark when they followed up, not just sent off an application and sat back waiting for them to ring them.

As for selling oneself to be considered top of the heap in the application process, there is only so much you can do with cover letters, selection criteria addressing and resume editing.
The issue i'm having is that i can't even seem to get that interview where i can dazzle them with my presentation, both from a verbal and physical sense.
That's dire, to say the least.

Thanks for the advice so far.
__________________
"History is the lies that the victors agree on"- Napoleon

LINK TO MY SH 3 MODS
Feuer Frei! is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.