Okey truther now you can change your belief

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Takeda, Did you report the posts? anyway thats not quite what i meant, I didnt think we were talking about people being hostile in general...
Of the two people Ive seen discuss 'conspiricy' the most, Ive never seen either one of them being obnoxious towards anybody over it.

Saying something that might be considered as 'absurd' is not the same as making rude or condecending personal attacks (such as the ones you highlighted).

And this is where my point closes the circle. It is the prevalence of these sort of political obsessions, wing nut politics and conspiracy theories that generates the hostility. When you're a moderator, you can tell where the problems are going to be by the title of the thread. I contend that if we, as a community, could have fewer of these we could have fewer of the personal attacks. That would probably make a minority of the members very unhappy, but I think it would improve the quality of life, so to speak, for the majority, and give this community the legs to sustain itself in waiting for new games.

What is happening now mirrors what happened to the Wolfpack League back in 2003. I didn't speak up then, but I will speak up now.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

these sort of political obsessions, wing nut politics and conspiracy theories.

Dude ^ that sentence pretty much sums up half of all posts in GT , alot of people here have some pretty extreme views on stuff and they often clash over it, but that is who we collectivly are, and that is the nature of GT.
As long as people draw the line before hostility I dont see how it is a problem that can reasonably be addressed with out enforcing heavy censorship on GT - and I dont think any wants that, If you dont want your values and beliefs challenged, GT is not really a good place to hang out. Its been that way as long i can remember, in fact the first topic I ever read in GT was a 3 way war between Sky, August and Tribesman, (surprise surprise 3 people with strong views) I really dont remember what it was about though

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Dude ^ that sentence pretty much sums up half of all posts in GT , alot of people here have some pretty extreme views on stuff and they often clash over it, but that is who we collectivly are, and that is the nature of GT.
As long as people draw the line before hostility I dont see how it is a problem that can reasonably be addressed with out enforcing heavy censorship on GT.

It wasn't always who we were as a collective of personalities. The level of this is a new thing. The thing is, I want my old SubSim back, and I resent those that hold to this new way. I have tried to push back by being nice, and that just got me run over. So now I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. It isn't fair to any of us. Why accept it?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

It wasn't always who we were as a collective of personalities. The level of this is a new thing. The thing is, I want my old SubSim back, and I resent those that hold to this new way. I have tried to push back by being nice, and that just got me run over. So now I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore. It isn't fair to any of us. Why accept it?

Because.... to 'try' to keep it in perspective, its ultimately just an internet forum. Things change and you cant turn back time.
Its not like you have to live with us in your house. you can make us all go away at the click of a button any time your sick of it all.
And the world itself isn't particullarly fair alot of the time :P

[Wolferz]

Attempting to create a utopian fantasy will only create a dystopian reality in GT. Not my suggestion in any shape or form. Sticking to the uniform code of conduct and being fair in the policing of it is the only way to fly and be fair to all who post here. Posters can be ignored if you have no interest in their topic of choice or you find that their values don't match up with yours. Hey we're all varied and unique in our views of this crazy world. Nobody forces us to read them. Just remember... Ignorance is bliss.

Just my opinion FWIW.

[Jimbuna]

I certainly don't consider myself to be the panacea to all that some community members may envisage as the ailments of GT and I no longer wear the uniform that once gave me the 'luxury' of deciding on definitive remedial action that may be warranted but I truly believe I have one essential quality that is needed around these parts and that is one of recognising the need to treat everyone equitably and starting afresh from this post onwards.

Can we all move on from here collectively please?

THIS COMMUNITY DESERVES NOTHING LESS.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I certainly don't consider myself to be the panacea to all that some community members may envisage as the ailments of GT and I no longer wear the uniform that once gave me the 'luxury' of deciding on definitive remedial action that may be warranted but I truly believe I have one essential quality that is needed around these parts and that is one of recognising the need to treat everyone equitably and starting afresh from this post onwards.

Can we all move on from here collectively please?

I know that you don't make all the calls, and I understand that. Sure, we can move forward from here. I'll even stop replying to August's trolling. But understand that when there's inequity between members, you'll hear from me again, and loudly. It's an unfortunate reality that volume is the only thing that seems to work around here, not to impugn present company.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

I know that you don't make all the calls, and I understand that. Sure, we can move forward from here. I'll even stop replying to August's trolling. But understand that when there's inequity between members, you'll hear from me again, and loudly. It's an unfortunate reality that volume is the only thing that seems to work around here, not to impugn present company.

Appreciated Tom.