Bloomberg: Constitution ‘must change’ to give government more power

August · 04-25-13, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If only that was a national law.

We have it in Houston and it's awesome. Unfortunately I'm soon moving outside of the city limits.

Stop spending so much time in bars...

mookiemookie · 04-25-13, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by August

Stop spending so much time in bars...

Hah! Restaurants too. That's my main issue. Bars, yeah. They're not health clubs, you know what you're getting into when you go in there. But restaurants....man, I just wanna enjoy a meal without coming home smelling like I went to a bar.

Skybird · 04-25-13, 10:17 AM

Everywhere you hear the call for more government, and more government surveillance, and more powers for governments, and government, government über alles. What many people outside government do not want to see, and what many people in government carefully hide form the public is that governments compete with each other for dominating other, weaker governments in other places and organizations. It is a ruinous competition that eliminates the number of competitors slowly, but surely, by stronger ones swallowing weaker ones. In the end, there can be only one government, a one-world-government. And ladies and gentleman, I present to you the inevitable truth: this one government will not be the government of a free people, but will be a complete and total and absolute dictatorship.

Do not worry, if you are in line with its ideology, you have nothing to fear, like no law-abiding citizens has to fear laws. And if you still get a headache over your doubts, the market for psychopharmaka becomes more and more a wild-west-fashioned anything-goes-arena all the time, I'm sure there is a happiness pill that gives even you the chemical club that you need to bear life and to function as is demanded of you.

Skybird · 04-25-13, 10:27 AM

While we are at it:

LINK: US gives big secret push to internet surveillance

LINK: Explanation of 2511 letters

LINK: The white House's claim

Wer's glaubt wird seelig!

Simmy · 04-25-13, 03:44 PM

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This guy scares me for the same reason. In our political system today, money IS power. Votes are nearly irrelevant because whatever a person, or group of persons with lots of money wants, they just buy. The real power in government? Follow the money.

Money has always been power.
The golden rule: those with the gold make the rules.
The founding fathers of this country were the richest men in this country.
Money always talks. People who got elected on the "Terms Limits" platform soon dropped that thought as soon as they were elected.
Obama was just a good guy in the hood, then suddenly he was a senator, then he was president. I wonder what kind of money is behind him?
The constitution in their mind is:
"and that government of the government, by the government, for the government, shall not perish from the earth.”

Ducimus · 04-25-13, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Simmy

Obama was just a good guy in the hood, then suddenly he was a senator, then he was president. I wonder what kind of money is behind him?

Anywhere between 11.8 and 12.2 million dollars, depending on where you look. "Good guy in the hood"? That's a load of crock. He's a millionaire Politician from Chicago.

Skybird · 04-25-13, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Anywhere between 11.8 and 12.2 million dollars, depending on where you look. "Good guy in the hood"? That's a load of crock. He's a millionaire Politician from Chicago.

Like the majority of senators: two thirds (67%) in 2011.

Like roughly the half of congress,47%, in 2011.

With the 113th congress being again wealthier than the previous one, by median net worth.

Ducimus · 04-25-13, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Like the majority of senators: two thirds (67%) in 2011.

Like roughly the half of congress,47%, in 2011.

With the 113th congress being again wealthier than the previous one, by median net worth.

Which only proves my point. What makes Bloomberg different, is he is projecting and pushing a dangerous agenda and will stop at nothing.

Platapus · 04-25-13, 05:43 PM

A friend of mine is running for a State House position in Virginia. This is a part time position that pays about $17,000 per year.

In order to run for this office, he told me that he has to raise $1,000,000 for his campaign. For a small part time job as state house member.

He then told me that in the very near future, for the same position, it will probably cost $5,000,000.

That is one of the problems with politics. It costs so much money to run a campaign that the candidate has to get the money from somewhere. Local donations won't cover it so they turn to the Political Party for funds. Multiple strings are attached at multiple places.

It really should not cost a million dollars to run for a state assembly position. But it does. And the funding race keeps getting bigger and bigger.

You will have a tougher time winning an election by spending $500,000 if your opponent is spending $1,000,000. So you might as well spend $1,000,000. Then next election your opponent spends $1,500,000. Wadda goin to do?

There is no such thing as string-less donations.

I don't know what the solution is, or whether any solution may be worse then the disease.

But if you have to spend $1,000,000 to get a $17,000 part time job, that opens up a lot of potential for corruption.

soopaman2 · 04-26-13, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Hah! Restaurants too. That's my main issue. Bars, yeah. They're not health clubs, you know what you're getting into when you go in there. But restaurants....man, I just wanna enjoy a meal without coming home smelling like I went to a bar.

I will agree with this, we have smoking bans in restaurants in NY and NJ, and as a smoker I appreciate it, cigs and food never mix.

But bars, in my drinking days I loved a shot and beer chaser, and a good smoke as I let the alcohol settle.

Bars in NYC lost alot of money, because within 6 months, there would be alot of people on the sidewalk out front these bars, then the police start hassling you, basically making you leave or put out your smoke and go back in the bar.

Mostly because your smoke bothers some fake coughing tourist that actually stopped staring up at the tall buildings and bumping into people to complain about ciggy smoke.

I blame tourists, and Bloomys dream of turning this into some kind of cheap Carribean Island tourist resort, at the detriment of the happyness of the people.

Tchocky · 04-26-13, 08:22 PM

Point of a smoking ban in bars and restaurants is so that the staff don't have long-term health problems because of where they work.

That's the long and short of it.

soopaman2 · 04-26-13, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Tchocky

Point of a smoking ban in bars and restaurants is so that the staff don't have long-term health problems because of where they work.

That's the long and short of it.

Dana Reeves, wife of Superman, Christopher Reeves, who never smoked, but worked in lounges singing all her life where heavy smoking took place.

Dead of Lung cancer, and a saint of a woman. I see your point.

04-25-13, 10:17 AM	#3
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,688 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Everywhere you hear the call for more government, and more government surveillance, and more powers for governments, and government, government über alles. What many people outside government do not want to see, and what many people in government carefully hide form the public is that governments compete with each other for dominating other, weaker governments in other places and organizations. It is a ruinous competition that eliminates the number of competitors slowly, but surely, by stronger ones swallowing weaker ones. In the end, there can be only one government, a one-world-government. And ladies and gentleman, I present to you the inevitable truth: this one government will not be the government of a free people, but will be a complete and total and absolute dictatorship. Do not worry, if you are in line with its ideology, you have nothing to fear, like no law-abiding citizens has to fear laws. And if you still get a headache over your doubts, the market for psychopharmaka becomes more and more a wild-west-fashioned anything-goes-arena all the time, I'm sure there is a happiness pill that gives even you the chemical club that you need to bear life and to function as is demanded of you. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-25-13, 10:27 AM	#4
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,688 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	While we are at it: LINK: US gives big secret push to internet surveillance LINK: Explanation of 2511 letters LINK: The white House's claim Wer's glaubt wird seelig! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

04-25-13, 05:43 PM	#9
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,386 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	A friend of mine is running for a State House position in Virginia. This is a part time position that pays about $17,000 per year. In order to run for this office, he told me that he has to raise $1,000,000 for his campaign. For a small part time job as state house member. He then told me that in the very near future, for the same position, it will probably cost $5,000,000. That is one of the problems with politics. It costs so much money to run a campaign that the candidate has to get the money from somewhere. Local donations won't cover it so they turn to the Political Party for funds. Multiple strings are attached at multiple places. It really should not cost a million dollars to run for a state assembly position. But it does. And the funding race keeps getting bigger and bigger. You will have a tougher time winning an election by spending $500,000 if your opponent is spending $1,000,000. So you might as well spend $1,000,000. Then next election your opponent spends $1,500,000. Wadda goin to do? There is no such thing as string-less donations. I don't know what the solution is, or whether any solution may be worse then the disease. But if you have to spend $1,000,000 to get a $17,000 part time job, that opens up a lot of potential for corruption. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

04-26-13, 08:22 PM	#11
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Point of a smoking ban in bars and restaurants is so that the staff don't have long-term health problems because of where they work. That's the long and short of it. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]