Creationist Explains How Humans Could Have Hunted The Tyrannosaurus Rex

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by August

On the other hand if theists are right then something will happen in the afterlife and the Atheists will find themselves with egg on their faces. Not to mention probably have to face some sort of fallout from an angry god over their rejection of him and their smug comments over the years about how stupid believers are.

and people who did good deeds all their life, but didn't believe will also rot in hell...

Also there are chances for the deists that they put their money on the wrong deity - or painted a wrong picture of them:

[August]

Originally Posted by Penguin

and people who did good deeds all their life, but didn't believe will also rot in hell...

Maybe I suppose but I was thinking more about the few minutes after death when one realizes that death wasn't actually The End of a persons conciousness.

Also there are chances for the deists that they put their money on the wrong deity - or painted a wrong picture of them:

That would truly be some cosmic justice wouldn't it?

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

Maybe I suppose but I was thinking more about the few minutes after death when one realizes that death wasn't actually The End of a persons conciousness.

That would actualy be good news for me.
I wish there was an afterlife. I'm just not convinced. We'll cross that bridge when we get to it eh ??

[Sammi79]

Originally Posted by August

If the Atheists are right then nothing happens in the afterlife. When we die that's it. A persons thoughts and life experiences vanish with the electrical impulses of the dead brain matter. No matter how much a person believed in God, or didn't, we all end up as worm bait and our passions, believes, likes and dislikes, arguments and debates are all left for the living to take up in their own minds if they choose to.

On the other hand if theists are right then something will happen in the afterlife and the Atheists will find themselves with egg on their faces. Not to mention probably have to face some sort of fallout from an angry god over their rejection of him and their smug comments over the years about how stupid believers are.

One or the other.

Pascals wager

If god is as all knowing as the theists claim - he would know that you were hedging your bets. Far from promoting the view that theistic belief is 'safer' rather it is an insulting description of people so weak they'd forgo pursuing the truth of the matter at the risk of an ethereal eggy face.

And I could not care for, respect, let alone worship a god who expected me to accept him without good reason that can be made clear to me, as opposed to faulty logic like that above. In the books, there are miracles, divine magic, visions, angels etc. otherwise, none of the characters in the stories would have believed.

[Penguin]

Originally Posted by August

That would truly be some cosmic justice wouldn't it?

Well, at least the historical figure Jesus was certainly not the palest guy - if people's pigmentation didn't change in this area during the last 2000 years , but try explaing this to a bonehead...

[HundertzehnGustav]

Originally Posted by August

If the Atheists are right then nothing happens in the afterlife. When we die that's it. A persons thoughts and life experiences vanish with the electrical impulses of the dead brain matter. No matter how much a person believed in God, or didn't, we all end up as worm bait and our passions, believes, likes and dislikes, arguments and debates are all left for the living to take up in their own minds if they choose to.

On the other hand if theists are right then something will happen in the afterlife and the Atheists will find themselves with egg on their faces. Not to mention probably have to face some sort of fallout from an angry god over their rejection of him and their smug comments over the years about how stupid believers are.

One or the other.

Or something in between...
We "know" exactly SQUAT about whats going on after death.
"KNOW" not "Believe, hope..." none of that near death experience.

therefor talking and projecting what will happen... is a waste of time.

Not to mention probably have to face some sort of fallout from an angry god over their rejection of him and their smug comments over the years about how stupid believers are.

see what i mean. these are things you believe... an evil, mad god.
i aint even buying that.

[MH]

and people who did good deeds all their life, but didn't believe will also rot in hell...

only if you a (not)Christian...i think but don't really know what is Christianity stance on this.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

If the Atheists are right then nothing happens in the afterlife. When we die that's it. A persons thoughts and life experiences vanish with the electrical impulses of the dead brain matter. No matter how much a person believed in God, or didn't, we all end up as worm bait and our passions, believes, likes and dislikes, arguments and debates are all left for the living to take up in their own minds if they choose to.
One or the other.

Another concideration regarding those thoughts and experiences we cherish is where do those thoughts and experiences go for an elder with Alzheimer's disease, or someone with brain damage. People lose their minds before our very eyes.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sammi79

...he would know that you were hedging your bets

I agree he would know, but I wouldn't be hedging my bets because I actually believe that God exists. I live my life fully expecting to be judged by the creator on how I lived it once it ends.

[August]

Originally Posted by HundertzehnGustav

see what i mean. these are things you believe... an evil, mad god.
i aint even buying that.

Who said anything about an evil, mad God? Why do you Atheists always feel the need to exaggerate peoples position? The thing is HG I don't give a single hoot whether you personally believe in God or not. Your salvation has absolutely nothing to do with mine.

[HundertzehnGustav]

what about if he judges you on how many infidels you killed?
maybe your expectations are wrong

maybe he judges you on how many children you have, or wether or not you made a contribution to keep your environment intact.

maybe he will judge you by things you do not even imagine.

which leads you to live a life you can only hope is right... and hope is not wrong.


maybe there is a god, but no judgement. maybe you "awake" in another life, another episode, another universe... as something different, someone different, barely able to remember your past, your previous life...

have fun expecting.
good luck in expecting the right thing. your chances of walking the righ path are slim at best.

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Another concideration regarding those thoughts and experiences we cherish is where do those thoughts and experiences go for an elder with Alzheimer's disease, or someone with brain damage. People lose their minds before our very eyes.

At least they seem to but I don't think we should see the afterlife as a snapshot of a persons mental and physical state at the moment of death. To me the soul is a lot more than that.

The aged and demented woman who doesn't recognize her own children now was once a young person full of vitality. I can't imagine that God would prefer she live though eternity crippled and mindless.

[Skybird]

There are 46 "confessional schools" i Germany, who again campaign for biblical interpretations of scientific data being put on equal status with scientific methodology. And while by lip-confessions they want to avoid being seen as creationists (who have a very bad reputation over here), they claim that interpreting evolution on the basis of a 7 day creation cycle should be put en par with science.

GERMAN link

That'S what it always is about, in all such cases. Compromising science by having delusion and fiction being raised in status - to be seen as of equal validity than science. Once that is achieved, one can go for the next target: science being toned down and being understood to be allowed only where it supports religious claims, in other words: science becoming a propaganda tool for religion, no tool for seeking the truth as objectively and independently as possible.

This is the role of sciences in Islamic countries, since over a thousand years. Once superior in algebra, physics, optics, medicine, the great stagnation caused by Muhammad led to this advantage and leading role being equalised by developing Europe, and then surpassed, and with the West over the centuries becoming incredibly successful and dominating the world, the Islamic world fatalistically froze in time, with sciences then only allowed where they were abstract and did not touch upon themes where the Quran claimed interpreting and deciding dominance (maths for example were still allowed, for example), or being forced to not ask questions of the like "Why is this, how does it function?", but only questions of the type: "Why is the Quran right in its explanation of it?" Obviously, there is a very huge difference in both attitudes displayed in these ways of asking questions. The big wake-up call then was Napoleon landing in Egypt, and the shivering Muslim world realising that it was not the cultural heavyweight and was even impotent to prevent those foreigners walking in their lands and doing what they want, while being hopelessly superior in technical and scientific possibilities. The reaction of the religious? The French landing became known to them as "the great offense to Islam".

Yeah, if somebody does better than you do and knows more and trains better and can do more things than you can and has undergone an evolution that outclasses yours, then it is not your best bet to try to improve and learn and become better yourself, no: you claim that the superiority of the other is offending you!

Sounds familiar when considering statements from Catholic spokesman and popes. The great challenge, the great offense of science that it has put into the world by questioning God. Satan working in sciences to make people move away from the church for rational scientific reasons.

Yeah, sure. Science has nothing better to do than that.

In fact there were times it indeed had better things to do. For example fleeing or avoiding being burned and tortured by the church.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Why don't you move to the Vatican, your natural homeland, you Buddhist Taliban? You certainly like stoning women to death, and commit genocide on all kafirs and gojims.

Ups, I am sorry, I am just a cowardly fencewalker, who doesn't dare to take a stand, and want to keep all doors open if I meet a deity after death...

I hope one day I will learn that binary thinking is the only true philosophy of the intellectual superior. Anything else is just dogma, indoctrination or sitting on a fence, nobody else who holds some thoughts has made up their mind.

666 Greetings, Reverend Penguin

Don't worry little grasshopper soon all will be revealed. When the mother ship returns there will be free cigars and sugar cookies for all and the gojims will run free. We will all drink Pepsi Cola from a can and ride into the sunset. Until then stay alert and wear clean socks.

[Jimbuna]

Can we all remain respectful of one another please.