someone please explain the 9mm ammo shortage

[yubba]

well sooner or later vendors will quit selling to the constitutionally impared.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by yubba

well sooner or later vendors will quit selling to the constitutionally impared.

Well, it's sooner than you think, I haven't seen Vendor on these forums for a while.

[Skybird]

9mm is for Sissies too afraid to get closer. Real men grind their axe instead.

[August]

Originally Posted by Skybird

9mm is for Sissies too afraid to get closer. Real men grind their axe instead.

Evolved men go with the trusty .45acp and avoid both ends of such silliness.

And TRAINED men drop you at 400+ meters anyway.

[TFatseas]

Originally Posted by August

Evolved men go with the trusty .45acp and avoid both ends of such silliness.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by TFatseas

Well that was Browning's last design so it is the successor to the M1911.It is all in shot placement and realistically in a combat situation you are going to put two or three rounds into every target 13+1 is better than 7+1 even if the rounds are smaller.I have no problem with 9x19mm rounds.

[Oberon]

Aaah, the .45 and the M1911, fantastic examples of gun design. Good stoppers, solid, reliable, you can see the ancestry coming down into the design that's stood the test of time. Well over a hundred years old and still going strong, you can't say that for many weapon designs.

We used the Webley for a while, good weapon but we phased it out in favour of the Browning IIRC.

Of course, then there's the Lee Enfield, original MLE design in 1895, SMLE design in 1907, and still being used in various hotspots in the world today.

Admittedly though, the Russkies have us beat with the Mosin-Nagant, soldiering on from 1891 to the present day.

[gimpy117]

"oh god oh no! they're gonna take out guns and then obama is going to rename the US to USSR and make us worship Hitler and Stalin and french food and allah and then we'll all die...so lets buy a whole bunch of ammo and guns while all the ammo companies and bushmaster rub their palms in excitement, and just hope the magnetic repulsion of 10,000 rounds of 9mm can save us from a laser guided bomb or a tank that would in reality be dropped on or driven through your house if there really was an uprising.!!!!!!"

thats pretty much how i see it

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

"oh god oh no! they're gonna take out guns and then obama is going to rename the US to USSR and make us worship Hitler and Stalin and french food and allah and then we'll all die...so lets buy a whole bunch of ammo and guns while all the ammo companies and bushmaster rub their palms in excitement, and just hope the magnetic repulsion of 10,000 rounds of 9mm can save us from a laser guided bomb or a tank that would in reality be dropped on or driven through your house if there really was an uprising.!!!!!!"

thats pretty much how i see it

Your stereotyping, and your wrong.

Also, the majority of people buying up firearms have been people new to guns. It's not johnny redneck montana militiaman talking to god on a two way radio that's been buying everything up.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Your stereotyping, and your wrong.

Also, the majority of people buying up firearms have been people new to guns. It's not johnny redneck montana militiaman talking to god on a two way radio that's been buying everything up.

yeah but they're still freaking out and buying into a trumped up myth perpetuated by conspiracy theorists. they may not actually believe all of what I said, That was in jest and sarcasm, but they still to some extent buy into the myth that all guns wil be taken away and some evil empire bs

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by gimpy117

yeah but they're still freaking out and buying into a trumped up myth perpetuated by conspiracy theorists. they may not actually believe all of what I said, That was in jest and sarcasm, but they still to some extent buy into the myth that all guns wil be taken away and some evil empire bs

No, I think your oversimplifying the situation. I like things simple myself, but this is one of those things that has a lot of contributing factors. I personally rank the "Fema camp" styled crackpot theories at the bottom of the list.

Two things i can think of off the top of my head.

- "I better get mine before i can't!". People never appreciate what they have, or could have until it's gone or the option taken away from them. From multiple sources ive heard from California to Oklahoma, , including local ones here in utah, it seems approximately 80% of the customers in gun stores have never owned a gun before, or maybe own a single firearm and haven't been into a gun store in years.

- Uncertain future. Seriously, i think everyone is a little uncertain as to what the future may bring. I don't think it's any coincidence there's been a rise of "doomsday preppers". Their reasoning ranges from the outlandish, to remotely feasible. Entire industries are springing up around this now. But when you consider our national debt/deficiet, economy, political polarization, and anything else i can't remember at the moment, it's no big stretch, nor big surprise to say that people are uncertain. With that uncertainly, they want to be able to defend themselves and their homes.

I'm sure there's more to add to this list if sat here and thought about it long enough, but I think you get my point. At any rate, I don't think this is just about the crackpot theories your talking about. (IE fema camps, new world order, etc etc) There's a bit more to it then that.

[August]

Gimpy complaining about conspiracy theories instead of believing in them? Now that's a switch.

[August]

There's a bill in Congress right now to add a nickel tax to every bullet. One up in front of the Maryland State legislature would add 50% tax to bullet purchases. There are similar bills pending in at least 5 more states.

Sounds to me like stocking up on ammo now is a very wise move.

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

- "I better get mine before i can't!". People never appreciate what they have, or could have until it's gone or the option taken away from them. From multiple sources ive heard from California to Oklahoma, , including local ones here in utah, it seems approximately 80% of the customers in gun stores have never owned a gun before, or maybe own a single firearm and haven't been into a gun store in years.

I think that is a big part of it yes, but why? Personally I'm thinking its because people are buying into the loud voices who say that they are going to take away all guns, or assault rifles. I guess I don't understand them....I suppose I've just never really wanted an M-16 or AK style gun. I own enough guns for myself, but I've always found that for each individual purpose an AR or AK has a civil counterpart which is more suited to the role.

This is coupled by the fact that I don't buy into the hype. The fact that our stupid senators can or at least come damn near blocking any kind of vote or discussion in the senate means they will never take our guns away...maybe make it harder for wackjobs to get ahold of bushmasters but lets face it...this is the USA and I think we need to stop listening to the tinfoil crowd and NRA