Two perspectives on Israel

Sorry, but no. I don't see how HAMAS benefits from a blockade/border control that prevents them from freely importing the goods and weapons they require to keep killing innocent people.

In that case I suggest you look and think.
The tunnels are a good place to look at for starters

He will tell you that blockade makes hamas and alike more popular and so on.

Sorry disapoint you on your simplistic view but no, I was going to suggest he starts with something basic in the blockade like cement which HAMAS has plenty of but the Red Cross and UN have trouble importing.
Then perhaps move onto the wider range of goods they smuggle, then consider how much money they are raking in from it and what terrorist organisations like to spend their money on.

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

In that case I suggest you look and think.
The tunnels are a good place to look at for starters


Sorry disapoint you on your simplistic view but no, I was going to suggest he starts with something basic in the blockade like cement which HAMAS has plenty of but the Red Cross and UN have trouble importing.
Then perhaps move onto the wider range of goods they smuggle, then consider how much money they are raking in from it and what terrorist organisations like to spend their money on.

Thats not my view...
Money is not the issue but nice try.... you are genius.
So sophisticated.

Thats not my view...

So what you said was not your view.
Have you become a split personality then?
Or was that evident already when you go into your bunkervision mode on questions relating to Israel or the occupied territories

Money is not the issue but nice try....

If you think funding of terrorists is not the issue then you really are lost.
However to be on the safe side you might want to write to your government as they foolishly seem to believe that blocking funding to HAMAS is vital and I am sure they would be grateful if you could put them right on the matter.

[MH]

lol tribesman just lol
carry on.

[mapuc]

I'm not so much into this Palestine-Israel problems

However I'm 150% convinced that 95-98 % of the population on both side have no problems living together with a Jew/Muslim

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I'm not so much into this Palestine-Israel problems

However I'm 150% convinced that 95-98 % of the population on both side have no problems living together with a Jew/Muslim

Markus

When Muslims in Europe already by relative majority, sometimes absolute majorities, say they do not want Jews as neighbours, I wouldn'T be so optimistic like you claim you are in case of Palestinian Arabs in the ME.

[Safe-Keeper]

However I'm 150% convinced that 95-98 % of the population on both side have no problems living together with a Jew/Muslim

I'm sure the majority genuenly want peace, most civilians do. You are being pretty naive about their attitude to Jews, though, I'm afraid. In the last decades, the Arab world (yes, pretty much all of it) has been made practically "Jew-free".

The Arabs in Palestinian areas (the ones who themselves their own de facto nationality and took to calling themselves "Palestinians" in the 1970's) grow up in an extremely Israel-hostile environment where many of them (not sure if it's the same all over) are indoctrinated to hate Israel and Jews from kindergarten level, through their schooling and TV programmes. Recordings like these aren't exceptions or isolated incidents, they are the rule.

But sure, it's the wall and blockade and settlements that are the real obstacle to peace. Never mind that when neither existed the Arabs were already trying to wipe Israel and the Jews off the map, or that concessions typically have not been followed by reduced violence.


(funnily enough, all of this, both the organized eviction of Jews from the Arab world and the indoctrination of innocent children is supported/handwaved away/ignored by all the people who get their panties in a twist about Israel's "apartheid regime", but of course, we all know that such things are only bad when it's the evil Israelis doing them)


@Tribesman: yes, I know tunnels exist (imagine that, people finding a way around border control!). Yes, I know that aid organizations have trouble sending cement, and I know why (it needs to be monitored so that we know it's actually used to build civilian infrastructure and not more tunnels/HAMAS bunkers, hardened weapons caches, etc.).

He will tell you that blockade makes hamas and alike more popular and so on.

As if the terrorism was a response to safety measures, and not the other way around. It's like saying that plane hijackings are caused by anger over securiy checkpoints at airports.