Creationist Explains How Humans Could Have Hunted The Tyrannosaurus Rex

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Penguin

Instead of complaining how people paint a group with a wide brush (never happened in GT before )

I don't see how this concerns you as a male European, or what you could possibly even understand about it if you never were a carrot, so I kindly ask you to shut up with your stupid, argumented and informed opinions. No offence.

[Oberon]

Getting back on topic:

[Dowly]

@CaptainHaplo

This thread has been quite civil so far, given the subject at hand. The only one
I find stirring the pot is you with your "holier than thou" posts, which I might add,
are absent from other threads where some other group is being ridiculed.

That's just my opinion.

EDIT: Oh oh oh, I want to post a funny picture too!!



There.

Creationism has no place in a science class.

I disagree, I think science class should have a lesson covering it, together with the flat earth, geocentricism, astrology, phrenology, chirology........
Science should be fun and having one lesson devoted to various crank theories would bring some light relief to the syllabus.

[August]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

American students consistently lag behind those from other countries in science and math. We don't need the willfully ignorant like this guy pushing their agenda into American classrooms. Creationism has no place in a science class.

Don't blame creationists for American students weak math and science skills. What's next you going to blame them for the weather too?

[mookiemookie]

That wasn't a strawman Mookie, you clearly stated the levels of science education has suffered since Harry Potter was appointed as head of American science.
Don't try and run from your statements

[mookiemookie]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That wasn't a strawman Mookie, you clearly stated the levels of science education has suffered since Harry Potter was appointed as head of American science.
Don't try and run from your statements

10 points for Gryffindor!

[Skybird]

When metaphors get taken as proof, all intellectuality has been corrupted and all reason is dead and all further communication has become useless. Avoid such people where they stay for themselves, but prevent them from coming to power, and fight them where they already have come to power. For the power you leave to them, they will turn against you.

[CaptainHaplo]

Originally Posted by Dowly

@CaptainHaplo
This thread has been quite civil so far, given the subject at hand.

So you don't have a problem with someone saying that anyone with a specific belief should be killed? Hmm - maybe they should have said that about people who like ferrets, or just kill all the finnish type folks who believe they are Scandinavian instead of Russian? Would that have been "quite civil"?

The only one I find stirring the pot is you with your "holier than thou" posts, which I might add, are absent from other threads where some other group is being ridiculed.

It's not me be being holier than thou - its simply expecting a little common decency. It isn't just here - its been running rampant around here for a while, and as I said - its sad to see. It isn't appropriate to call for the death of any large group of people for their belief, as well as its wrong to take one idiot's opinion and use it to mock an entire group. Those kinds of activities - not just in this thread but throughout the forum, have simply gotten way too old. I don't gripe about it in every thread - because I don't respond in every thread. Recent events have made this the "straw that broke the camels back" for me - and so I chose to say something.

I think the guy is a moron too - I got no problem with saying that. That doesn't justify the hatemongering that followed against a whole group though.

EDIT: Oh oh oh, I want to post a funny picture too!!

Now that - and some of the earlier ones (video included) were hilarious.

Poke fun at the person who makes a stupid statement. Don't assume that one person's opinion applies to everyone in a group. Treat people with differing views than you with a modicum of respect. Are those things too much to expect here anymore? Apparently so....

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

So you don't have a problem with someone saying that anyone with a specific belief should be killed? Hmm - maybe they should have said that about people who like ferrets, or just kill all the finnish type folks who believe they are Scandinavian instead of Russian? Would that have been "quite civil"?

Sure, I have a problem if someone says something like that.
Andy's post to me comes off as having a go at creationists' stupidity (in his opinion), not calling for them to be killed.
Guess it's open for interpretation.

It's not me be being holier than thou - its simply expecting a little common decency. It isn't just here - its been running rampant around here for a while, and as I said - its sad to see. It isn't appropriate to call for the death of any large group of people for their belief, as well as its wrong to take one idiot's opinion and use it to mock an entire group. Those kinds of activities - not just in this thread but throughout the forum, have simply gotten way too old. I don't gripe about it in every thread - because I don't respond in every thread. Recent events have made this the "straw that broke the camels back" for me - and so I chose to say something.

GT just being GT, it's a rollercoaster with ups and downs.
What got me in your post was the bit about newcomers coming here and being
put off by threads like this. Again, I must say that in my opinion, this thread
has been so far civil, given the subject at hand.


I agree with the rest of your post more or less.

So you don't have a problem with someone saying that anyone with a specific belief should be killed?

Oh the drama.
Can we have a subsim award for overacting?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Although I only mentioned my favorite part of the documentary, I was speaking of the movie as a "whole", including the interviews with other scientists, science journalists and former university professors. All whom have been blackballed by the scientific community simply due to their "willingness" to concede there is evidence of "intelligent design".

I believe in the possibilty of intelligent design, but that also means the possibility that the Deists were right, that the Designer made it exactly the way science sees it, evolution and all. As for "blackballing", it looks to me that they've done a bit more than just "concede there is evidence". They've tried to promote "evidence" that isn't there, and shown themselves to be poor scientists, at least in that area.

Just my opinion, of course.

I wasn't talking about God nor have I ridiculed anyone with my post.

But the "documentary" did exactly that. "Intelligent Design" is the new term for "Biblical Creation", pure and simple. It's fine that they believe that, but to try to disguise it is dishonest in the extreme.

It's interesting to see the passion with which I am confronted, simply because I posted a documentary that I liked, in what appeared to be an appropriate thread for such. I found the documentary to be extremely interesting, compelling, and thought others might find it interesting too, but instead, I am confronted with ridicule.
Very interesting indeed.

I'm not passionate about it at all. The only thing I care about is honesty, and I pointed out just a few of the places in which the filmmaker was anything but honest.

I haven't ridiculed you at all. That you take my honest criticism of the film as personal hostility toward you shows, to me, that your own passion might be controlling your thoughts instead of the other way around. My beef is with the filmmaker, not you.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Which responses?
There is one response that strikes me as coloured by passion, and that is by someone agreeing with you(though they havn't even seen the movie).

Well, now, one has to understand the nature of passion in order to recognize it's signature. There are many forms of passion but for all intents and purposes, it is something that elicits emotion. Emotion tends to cause arousal.
The passion I was referring to deals with superfluity of response. There are reasonable responses and then there are responses that rise above that which is warranted or necessary. For instance, the arousal that would cause someone to pick apart another member's post, almost sentence by sentence while interjecting specific words with suggestion of attitude that would insinuate or suggest that the poster is ridiculous, uncouth, or any other derogatory indication.
Then there are shorter replies where passion is evident when those replies attempt to suggest something, or anything negative about the poster. Passion is the reason that homicide victims are sometime found in a state of overkill; i.e., they've been stabbed or shot many many times beyond that which was needed to cause the victim's death.
Want to see passion in a forum? Just look for overkill or supererogatory responses. That is, going beyond what is needed to make ones point or ridiculing/belittling another in order to make that point.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Do they make fun of other members' posts in these religious forums too?

Are you kidding? There are some forums that invite serious debate, but most of them openly ridicule any opinion different from their own, and don't allow actual debate at all.