Alternative to slaughterhouses

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

If you want to bring religion into this because if we do then that then becomes religious slaughter, then i say this:
the jewish and even the muslim faith have specific requirements for the slaughter of animals.
"And ye shall be men of holy calling unto Me, and ye shall not eat any meat that is torn in the field" (Exodus XXII:30)

Until some years ago I used to think that cutting the aorta/throat in an animal would give it a quick and painfree death within seconds, due to the fast drop in blood pressure in the had and brain and thus having the animal black out quickly. However, I had to learn info on that this assumption is wrong, and that animals stay consciousness quite long and obviously suffer a great amount of agony, fear, pain and terror.

Since I learned that, I do not tolerate religious motives for these intentionally painful slaughtering methods anymore. With the irrationality of people I could live, as long as I do not need to care for them and do not get bothered with labels like halal or kosher when buying food myself. With the cruelty, I refuse to live. That's why I avoid industrially produced meat. Why should I make an exception for religious excuses here?

[AVGWarhawk]

Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane.

http://templegrandin.com/

Corral Designed by Grandin

http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

[Oberon]

It's a good idea and I'm all for it, I'm fully in agreement with what you say about the sheer amount of terror that an animal must feel whilst waiting 'on death row'. Certainly the amount of hormones that are released into the animals bloodstream during that time cannot make the meat that good for human consumption either, but that's a contentious matter.

The primary concern I have about the idea of the farm in this article is whether it can be done on the vast enough scale that is required for the meat market, if it cannot then it may be a stillborn idea. However, if a way can be found to make it financially viable then the likelihood of it being adopted on a wider scale increases. Again, this is not me speaking as someone who is concerned primarily on the economics of the situation rather than the welfare of the animal, but as someone who has seen many good intentioned ideas be buried under economic realism.

Either which way, I hope that this is something that does catch on but time will tell.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane.

http://templegrandin.com/

Corral Designed by Grandin

http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

I know her, there was a good movie about her one year ago or so, on German TV. After that I went out and bought one book by her, second hand (most of her books are not translated into German).

However, the smells and sounds inside a death factory still must be taken note of by cattle. And not all cattle is treated like she proposes. Then there also is pigs, and chicken.

It'S better to eat less meat, drive back the production of meat that way, and kill animals in side the habitat that they used to know as their living space, unexpectedly and quick. Much like a good and responsible hunter would do in the wilderness, when being concerned of not wanting to deliver pain and a long agony to his prey.

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm glad you were able to see and investigate this woman. She is quite interesting. I agree, the slaughter houses have a way to go in making it as humane as possible. Although she offers a better way for the animals not all take heed. I would guess in the name of profits.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Skybird, take a look at Temple Grandin. A autistic woman who understood the pain and suffering at slaughter. She devised a system to help lessen what your are objecting to in the slaughter house. It does not cure your thoughts and feeling about it but you are not alone when it comes to slaughtering practices. Some have tried to make it more humane.

http://templegrandin.com/

Corral Designed by Grandin

http://www.grandin.com/design/design.html

Good point AVGWarhawk. I first read and learned about Temple when both of my daughters were diagnosed as Autistic. I don't eat red meats anymore, but only because my doctors have advised against it. That does not mean I still wouldn't like to have a sizzling T-Bone once in a while, but rather I cannot for health reasons.

My personal perspective on meat eaters or vegetarians is:

The one who eats everything must not treat with contempt the one who does not, and the one who does not eat everything must not judge the one who does, for God has accepted them. Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand.
-Romans 14:3-4

[Karle94]

Is this a good moment to tell you that I work at a fish harvesting facility? We usually process over 100 tons of fish per day.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Karle94

Is this a good moment to tell you that I work at a fish harvesting facility? We usually process over 100 tons of fish per day.

Sure. Someone has to do it.

[August]

It won't be long before we can grow meat in a vat, rendering this whole issue moot.

[Rockstar]

I agree there could be a better a way to bring meats to market. Also, pretty sure Kosher or Halel procedures are based on traditions and traditions can be changed, believe it or not one could still get a kosher piece of steak.

One thing is for certain I dont eat nearly the quantity of meat like I used to years ago. But it doesnt have anything to do with slaughters houses. But because of the astonishing amount of antibiotics being pumped into our food animals. Its said to have had a hand in creating those antibiotic resistant super bugs infecting humans.

I say follow Denmarks example and start following it now. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...e-animals.aspx