Gun Control thread (merged many)

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Well I fail to see what a 15 year old illegally smuggling a 22 caliber revolver into school has to do with giving shotguns to adults living in dangerous neighborhoods, but I'm not the one trying to say it's a bad idea,

And this after you post the kid probably got the gun from irresponsible parents ? Let's hand out shotguns to "adults" in bad neighborhoods. I'm guessing you are assuming the adults that are more than likely parents will be accountable with this shotgun? Certainly the people in the bad neighbor will be much more responsible. The way I see it then is the person handing out the shotgun is an enabler. So, irresponsible parents(adults) leave guns around for their kids(after all, kids can only get guns from their parents) and providing more weapons to these folks is a good idea. I do not see this as a good idea.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by August

The point is kids have brought weapons to school forever. Infringing on peoples civil rights will not change that. Ducimus is right. The parent that did not secure their firearm is at blame here.

This.

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And you naturally assume the gun belongs to the kids parents? Who said anything about infringing on anything? The thread concern handing out free shotguns. I interjected with today's experience and saying its a bad idea. Furthermore, Duci needs no back up. He does just fine without the help.

The gun came from somewhere. Odds are it was a parent. Maybe the kids parents, or maybe a friends parents who didn't keep their gun away from kids reach.

As for infringing, that's exactly what your post there was implying, only in a very sarcastic way. (I know all about sarcasm, i should write a book on it). As to shotguns, i was happy posting funny biden pictures until you made that post.
After reading that post, I can understand your being emotional about it. Any parent would be. Despite that, what your post there makes me wonder, is just how much of your personal freedoms are you willing to give up for the illusion of safety. If your willing to let government take away some or all of your personal freedoms in order to make you feel safer, that's fine. But don't expect the rest of us to go along with that idea. I for one would go down fighting to defend them.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This.



The gun came from somewhere. Odds are it was a parent. Maybe the kids parents, or maybe a friends parents who didn't keep their gun away from kids reach.

As for infringing, that's exactly what your post there was implying, only in a very sarcastic way. (I know all about sarcasm, i should write a book on it). As to shotguns, i was happy posting funny biden pictures until you made that post.
After reading that post, I can understand your being emotional about it. Any parent would be. Despite that, what your post there makes me wonder, is just how much of your personal freedoms are you willing to give up for the illusion of safety. If your willing to let government take away some or all of your personal freedoms in order to make you feel safer, that's fine. But don't expect the rest of us to go along with that idea. I for one would go down fighting to defend them.

-Once again, you are assuming the gun was gotten from a irresponsible parent, friends parent, aunt, uncle....can't do that. Guns are gotten on the street all the time.

-Please show me in my original post were infringing on anything was implied, inferred or out right saying it. You will not find it.

-My post was not about personal freedom and giving up any part of it. It concerned being on the other side of the coin and the picture is much different. Are some weapons available for purchase really necessary to have and own?

-Did I ask anyone to go along with my "idea"? On the same token, do not expect others to go along with your idea that having a arsenal is a personal freedom and all people are responsible gun owners ready and willing to be accountable.




-No sir, you did not understand anything about being emotional in my post. You blatantly went on a dissertation of your life in high school and everyone should suck it up and invest in body armor. You understanding any emotion in my post was utterly lost between the following:

Well, lets see.

and

it's much easier to blame it on the gun then for people to take responsibility for their own actions or lack thereof.

Your post basically states it happens all the time so it is ok. Reaming the bore is what it is all about.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And this after you post the kid probably got the gun from irresponsible parents ? Let's hand out shotguns to "adults" in bad neighborhoods. I'm guessing you are assuming the adults that are more than likely parents will be accountable with this shotgun? Certainly the people in the bad neighbor will be much more responsible. The way I see it then is the person handing out the shotgun is an enabler. So, irresponsible parents(adults) leave guns around for their kids(after all, kids can only get guns from their parents) and providing more weapons to these folks is a good idea. I do not see this as a good idea.

I'll trade your irresponsible parent with a parent who uses one of these shotguns to protect his family from home invaders. I'll bet there are a heckuva lot more of the latter than the former in the high crime neighborhoods of our country.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

I'll trade your irresponsible parent with a parent who uses one of these shotguns to protect his family from home invaders. I'll bet there are a heckuva lot more of the latter than the former in the high crime neighborhoods of our country.

I think you bet on too much. I also believe you love to muddle conversations with post such as this. Finding hard evidence would be helpful. Honestly, what does home invaders have to do with my original post?

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I think you bet on too much. I also believe you love to muddle conversations with post such as this. Finding hard evidence would be helpful. Honestly, what does home invaders have to do with my original post?

Muddle? It's the reason for the thread. Why else do you think they want to hand out shotguns? To shoot skeet?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

Muddle? It's the reason for the thread. Why else do you think they want to hand out shotguns? To shoot skeet?

Avgwarhawk:

Honestly, what does home invaders have to do with my original post?

Did you bother to read my entire post or only selected items?

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Avgwarhawk:


Did you bother to read my entire post or only selected items?

You mean this one?

Yes, hand out more weapons! Good stuff. Second Amendment! Give me more ammo! It is entirely out of control. Specifically when it hits close to home.

My kids school made the news today:

http://www.capitalgazette.com/news/s...6c7b8717c.html

With luck and thinking from the school secretary the little bastard was caught.

I would suspect the "go guns" cheering would be much less when it hits close to home. Specifically when it could have involved a loved one.

Seems like a general rant against the 2A using an example that nothing to do with the subject at hand to me.

The bottom line here is just because some people might abuse a right, that is not a justification for denying that right to others.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

You mean this one?



Seems like a general rant against the 2A using an example that nothing to do with the subject at hand to me.

The bottom line here is just because some people might abuse a right, that is not a justification for denying that right to others.

You still did answer my question. What does home invaders have to do with my original post? Did I state we should deny any rights? Was I justifying anything other than when the coin is flipped it looks different from that side?