Civility in GT

[Oberon]

But does it really take that much to just scroll past the post?

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

But does it really take that much to just scroll past the post?

Actually no because you should never ignore a moderators post, even if he is trolling.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

Actually no because you should never ignore a moderators post, even if he is trolling.

Why? Why should you not ignore a post when it's obvious that he's posting not as a moderator but as a person?

EDIT: Well said Neon.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Why? Why should you not ignore a post when it's obvious that he's posting not as a moderator but as a person?

At what point does their condescending lecturing and other personal comments cross the line from private to official? They make every post with a moderators badge right under their name. As far as I'm concerned as long as they are in uniform so to speak every post is a moderator post.

Maybe it's time to convince Neal to change the one account policy.

Neon: I respect your opinion but a moderators job is not to ignore any post made. Nor do I want to ignore any moderators official post, but I'd much rather have the ability to use the forum ignore feature on their personal posts without having to read it first to see which type it is.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by August

Neon: I respect your opinion but a moderators job is not to ignore any post made. Nor do I want to ignore any moderators official post, but I'd much rather have the ability to use the forum ignore feature on their personal posts without having to read it first to see which type it is.

I personally think it is our job not to have anyone on ignore, but it is something we are permitted to do, partly if this moderator does have issues with a specific member, this is one reason why we generally have more than one moderator watching a forum. I am also not aware of any forums that separate moderators like that, with the sole exception of when the moderators are also employees (like for a game company). The logistics of switching back and forth are a huge pain in the butt (I've been that kind of moderator), and really doesn't change a whole lot.

I also want to remind everyone, that the moderators are human. We all have good days and bad days, and may not always express ourselves in the most appropriate and effective ways. Sometimes our messages may come across as being more harsh than they are intended. But I have never gotten the impression that any moderators specifically have it in for any specific members, or are engaging in trolling. But I also know it may not seem that way if you are on the receiving end, and it can be hard not to take it personally. We also may not package the message in the best manner and tact possible, or the package we deliver may be misunderstood.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

At what point does their condescending lecturing and other personal comments cross the line from private to official? They make every post with a moderators badge right under their name. As far as I'm concerned as long as they are in uniform so to speak every post is a moderator post.

Maybe it's time to convince Neal to change the one account policy.

Crossing threads a bit here since I've just said a similar thing over on a different thread, but this is a multi-thread discussion at the moment.
I can't speak for all the moderators on this forum, but Takeda will sign his post with 'The Management' when he is acting as a moderator.

Like so:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sear...archid=1537529

So, if you come across a post by Takeda and it's usually relatively short and ended with 'The Management' then you know that that is a moderator post, not a personal one. Otherwise he is a member just like you or I.
A number of members are also moderators primarily for fighting spambots, Herr B is, I think, and so is Jimbuna, although feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Do you feel the same way about them?

Honestly, August, I can see where you're coming from, but I think that you are in the minority in this respect, and I can't see Neal changing something that has been in place for a long time for a minority rather than a majority. I, personally, have always been able to differentiate between the two identities of the moderator accounts on this forum, and I think that many other members are also able to.

I honestly don't have the solution to this conflict, but I certainly think that a little bit of breathing space for all involved would be a good start.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

A number of members are also moderators primarily for fighting spambots, Herr B is, I think, and so is Jimbuna, although feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. Do you feel the same way about them?

Consider yersel corrected

Neal prefers moderators didn't moderate threads they can sometimes become involved in, hence not posting in this thread but watching and reading to be sure.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Consider yersel corrected

Neal prefers moderators didn't moderate threads they can sometimes become involved in, hence not posting in this thread but watching and reading to be sure.

Consider myself suitably corrected!

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

At what point does their condescending lecturing and other personal comments cross the line from private to official?

Perhaps you can answer this question for us? I'm interested in your answer.

[August]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Perhaps you can answer this question for us? I'm interested in your answer.

When moderators use their single account for both personal and official posts then the line between the two is blurred to the point of being indistinguishable from each other hence my request for separation.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by August

When moderators use their single account for both personal and official posts then the line between the two is blurred to the point of being indistinguishable from each other hence my request for separation.

See post #67.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

When moderators use their single account for both personal and official posts then the line between the two is blurred to the point of being indistinguishable from each other hence my request for separation.

With me it should be easy. I'm a very literal and literalistic person. Whatever I say opinion-wise will always be just that - my opinion. Moderation involves rules, and I will always cite the rule in question. Unless the violation is flagrant I will always send a PM citing the rule and an 'unofficial' warning. If it is flagrant there will be the usual official warning or an actual infraction. If you disagree with the infraction you can feel free to argue with me about it privately. I've changed my mind on that basis alone more than once. Of course you can also PM Neal about it, and if you don't get a response right away you can PM me again and I will bring it up with him. I'm not always fair but I try to be.

And yes, I will screw up and not do it that way. When I do, feel free to remind me that I said that.

So anything I say in the forum you can feel free to ignore as you wish. There won't be anything official there, ever, unless it's a general warning to everyone in a thread.

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by August

At what point does their condescending lecturing and other personal comments cross the line from private to official? They make every post with a moderators badge right under their name. As far as I'm concerned as long as they are in uniform so to speak every post is a moderator post.

Maybe it's time to convince Neal to change the one account policy.

Neon: I respect your opinion but a moderators job is not to ignore any post made. Nor do I want to ignore any moderators official post, but I'd much rather have the ability to use the forum ignore feature on their personal posts without having to read it first to see which type it is.

You're being petty. I have no problem with any mod debating or posting. Sure, they can often partake of heated debate, go off topic, etc., then throw the mod hammer down, I've had it happen to me, but it doesn't make me mad, nor does it bother me. I really do think most of them try to find a balance, rather than just take a hard line, which may confuse and offend some. I think they all do a great job, but they're human like the rest of it. I respect their right to post as I do and be a mod at the same time.

If you're so sensitive about a certain person, just don't read their post at all. I find Steve disgusting and replusive at times, not to mention rude, bossy and insulting. Do you hear me complaining about him or calling him names, no, I respect his right to be a mod on one hand and a arsehole on the other.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Armistead

You're being petty. I have no problem with any mod debating or posting. Sure, they can often partake of heated debate, go off topic, etc., then throw the mod hammer down, I've had it happen to me, but it doesn't make me mad, nor does it bother me. I really do think most of them try to find a balance, rather than just take a hard line, which may confuse and offend some. I think they all do a great job, but they're human like the rest of it. I respect their right to post as I do and be a mod at the same time.

If you're so sensitive about a certain person, just don't read their post at all.

I always liked you. And that little dog too! (use wicked witch of the west voice)

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

I always liked you. And that little dog too! (use wicked witch of the west voice)

I have a thing for you as well, but let's keep it secret.