Gun Control thread (merged many)

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

"Both" as in Takeda is both biased and judgmental, not you "both" are biased and judgmental Steve. Reading comprehension FTW.

So you want to continue this? Okay. I don't speak for anyone else. That said, if it's what you want I'll give you my take on you.

You're a nice guy. So is Skybird. So is Tribesman. I've made observations on them. That said, everybody has their opinions. Mine is that I'm usually wrong. Yours seems to be that you're usually right. That, to me, is dangerous. The guy who "knows" he's right can't deal with the possibility that he might not be. As I said, on one thread you can be reasonable and even logical. Sometimes. In my opinion you don't seem to understand how logic really works, or how debate really works. You say what seems reasonable to you, up to a point. When challenged enough you get your dander up and start to become antagonistic. When someone points that out you become defensive. Defense mode then leads to attack mode. When someone responds in kind you become downright hostile. Someone is always attacking you, never the other way around. And this is all because you don't seem to understand give and take.

Have you ever been wrong? Have you ever admitted that you might be wrong? Debate involves exploring an issue, not just making pronouncements on it.

The next time you jump on the Constitution bandwagon in defense of your opinions, remember this: The Constitution, every single word of it, was the result of compromise. I'm not saying we should compromise our rights or our freedoms, just that to truly grasp the situation you need to see it from the other side as well.

Oh, and "Reading comprehension FTW" is exactly the kind of arrogant, snarky attitude we were talking about.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

So you want to continue this?

Says the guy who said he'd drop it but then brings it back up again by taking offense at a statement that wasn't even directed at him.

Okay. I don't speak for anyone else. That said, if it's what you want I'll give you my take on you.

I didn't ask you for your take on me Steve. Nor have I asked for your condescending lecture on the constitution so you and Takeda can go bother someone else. I'm done with you both.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

Says the guy who said he'd drop it but then brings it back up again by taking offense at a statement that wasn't even directed at him.

How does a comment made directly to me not directed at me, even indirectly?

I didn't ask you for your take on me Steve. Nor have I asked for your condescending lecture on the constitution so you and Takeda can go bother someone else. I'm done with you both.

Even when I back you up on other things? But fair enough.

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

How does a comment made directly to me not directed at me, even indirectly?

"Directly to you? I think you better go back and see who I was quoting. It's post #97 if you forget.

Even when I back you up on other things? But fair enough.

No because I never know when you'll turn and start lecturing me for something that you misunderstood, like you are now. Go back and read that post. It's pretty clear who I was talking to.

[Oberon]

Ah, I see what's gone wrong here.

The phrase 'I find you both biased and judgmental' has potentially been mistaken to refer to two people as opposed to two adjectives.

That being said though, the snide comment of 'Reading comprehension FTW' was uncalled for in the circumstances. A simple pointing out of the mistake made would have sufficed in my opinion, but what is done is done.

[August]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Ah, I see what's gone wrong here.

The phrase 'I find you both biased and judgmental' has potentially been mistaken to refer to two people as opposed to two adjectives.

He knows that Oberon, just like he knew the first time I explained it to him.

But that is par for the course for him and Takeda. They tag team people, deliberately trying to irritate them into saying something they can take action against. I've been around here for many years now and i've seen them do it to quite a few people.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by August

He knows that Oberon, just like he knew the first time I explained it to him.

But that is par for the course for him and Takeda. They tag team people, deliberately trying to irritate them into saying something they can take action against. I've been around here for many years now and i've seen them do it to quite a few people.

Such as?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

He knows that Oberon, just like he knew the first time I explained it to him.

Yes, I knew what you meant. I only responded for myself, admitting that I'm not perfect. I don't speak for others.

But that is par for the course for him and Takeda. They tag team people, deliberately trying to irritate them into saying something they can take action against. I've been around here for many years now and i've seen them do it to quite a few people.

Except for the times I've stood against him, and we've had confrontations over that. No one tag-teams anybody. That we happen to make the same observations or that we feel the same way about something is not the same thing.

I've disagreed with many people on many subjects. Unlike Takeda, I happen to agree with you more often than not. I made the observations I did because I believe them to be true. I could be wrong, but that's how I feel about it. The difference I see is one I mentioned earlier. People have said things about the way I post sometimes, and I always think about it and I'm always ready to admit that I'm wrong. I don't always do it as well as I could, but I do try. So I'll ask again: Can you name a time when you've ever looked at your own posting habits and thought you might be wrong? Have you ever apologized to anyone for anything. I'm not saying I think that makes me better, just that I admit the possibility. I could even be wrong here. Could you?