Introduction to Hoppe's main work

Skybird · 03-17-13, 01:42 PM

"Mean-spirited."

I can sing a long song of that, having been the target of rethorical underhandedness more often than I could ever find tolerable. and I often learned that I get treated with quite some arrogance and verbal cheating, and being attacked in mean ways when I stick to something I say that others do not like. My patience learned to know limits then, yes, and I may chose to cut off a communication by a laconic picture or a sarcastic final comment. It seems I am expected in these situations to endlessly sit still and just take rethorical hits, getting misquoted out of context or have words turned in my mouth or even have words pout in my mouth that I never said nor whose meaning I ever indicated. All this happened so often, and some people really expected me, and still do so, to just swallow it and not to move. But beware Zeus when I dare to react and give the change in the currency others have chosen first! Where I still see chances to have a communication, I try again with arguments, often being answered with complaints about pointless walls of text instead.

This must be a great surprise to you

, Tchocky, but I fullheartly return the complaint you directed at me, and I could say the same that you said about me about quite some people here, usually always the same names, and that is the group of names that usually I no longer or only extremely rarely react to anymore, or even have on the ignore-list.

This is also the reason why with other people, who also may disagree with me, I find it easy to communicate, for they do not start to follow this path, and so I don't either. In principle, it is very easy to get along with me, the rule is just one: the stronger you push me, the stronger I push back. That's all. To some degree it seems one has to be loud and modestly aggressive in this forum if not wanting to get plowed under while saying something unpopular or somebody not liking you. I do not like to follow that path until the ugly end when it gets locked however, and also do not follow it that far anymore than I maybe did many years ago were it sometimes went on endlessly, so I tend to step out at some stage and leave the remaining people to themselves, then. They then sometimes say I would "avoid discussion". Well, let that little victory be there's, then - my ego can afford that .

Takeda Shingen · 03-17-13, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

"Mean-spirited."

I can sing a long song of that, having been the target of rethorical underhandedness more often than I could ever finbd tolerable. and I often learned that I get treated with quite some arrogance and being attacked in mean ways when I stick to something I say that others do not like. My patience then knows limits, yes. where I still see chances to have a communication, I I try again with arguments, often being answered with complaints about pointless walls of text instead.

This must be a great surprise to you

, Tchocky, but I fullheartly return the complaint you directed at me, and I could say the same that you said about me about quite some people here, usually always the same names, and that is the group of names that usually I no longer or only extremely rarely react to anymore, or even have on the ignore-list.

And so it comes down to what so many have said of you; that you are interested in dictating your peception of the truth, not discussion. Again, I suggest that a blog would be more appropriate for your tastes.

Hottentot · 03-17-13, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

And so it comes down to what so many have said of you; that you are interested in dictating your peception of the truth, not discussion. Again, I suggest that a blog would be more appropriate for your tastes.

On the plus side, it does offer great hilarity when he paraphrases the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Takeda Shingen · 03-17-13, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Hottentot

On the plus side, it does offer great hilarity when he paraphrases the Jehovah's Witnesses.

Hmmm....

A new avatar perhaps?

Hottentot · 03-17-13, 02:05 PM

The style certainly fits and usually the resemblance becomes closer the more pages the thread accumulates.

Takeda Shingen · 03-17-13, 02:19 PM

I wonder how large a donation would be required for Neal to change it.

Tchocky · 03-17-13, 02:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

"Mean-spirited."

I can sing a long song of that, having been the target of rethorical underhandedness more often than I could ever finbd tolerable. and I often learned that I get treated with quite some arrogance and being attacked in mean ways when I stick to something I say that others do not like. My patience then knows limits, yes. where I still see chances to have a communication, I I try again with arguments, often being answered with complaints about pointless walls of text instead.

This must be a great surprise to you

, Tchocky, but I fullheartly return the complaint you directed at me, and I could say the same that you said about me about quite some people here, usually always the same names, and that is the group of names that usually I no longer or only extremely rarely react to anymore, or even have on the ignore-list.

This is also the reason why with other people, who also may disagree with me, I find it easy to communicate, for they do not start to follow this path, and so I don't either. In principle, it is very easy to get along with me, the rule is just one: the stronger you push me, the stronger I push back. That's all. To some degree it seems one has to be loud and modestly aggressive in this forum if not wanting to get plowed under while saying something unpopular or somebody not liking you. I do not like to follow that path until the ugly end when it gets locked however, and also do not follow it that far anymore than I maybe did many years ago were it sometimes went on endlessly, so I tend to step out at some stage and leave the remaining people to themselves, then. They then sometimes say I would "avoid discussion". Well, let that little victory be there's, then - my ego can afford that .

I'm not talking about rhetorical underhandedness, whatever that may be. I'm not trying to twist your words or anything like that. I'm quoting Hoppe's words and saying that from a straight first reading of what's been posted, they are not worth serious attention - hence suggesting people should go off and buy the book in order to "graduate" to a higher level of discourse is irritating and without merit.

The other point I'm trying to get across is that you can't fairly complain about not being taken seriously when your own language precludes any disagreement whatsoever. Look at your first post in the thread.

It's kind of subsidiary to the main point - don't expect well-constructed rebuttal to poorly-constructed feudalist pipedreams. As presented here.

03-17-13, 01:42 PM	#1
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,818 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	"Mean-spirited." I can sing a long song of that, having been the target of rethorical underhandedness more often than I could ever find tolerable. and I often learned that I get treated with quite some arrogance and verbal cheating, and being attacked in mean ways when I stick to something I say that others do not like. My patience learned to know limits then, yes, and I may chose to cut off a communication by a laconic picture or a sarcastic final comment. It seems I am expected in these situations to endlessly sit still and just take rethorical hits, getting misquoted out of context or have words turned in my mouth or even have words pout in my mouth that I never said nor whose meaning I ever indicated. All this happened so often, and some people really expected me, and still do so, to just swallow it and not to move. But beware Zeus when I dare to react and give the change in the currency others have chosen first! Where I still see chances to have a communication, I try again with arguments, often being answered with complaints about pointless walls of text instead. This must be a great surprise to you , Tchocky, but I fullheartly return the complaint you directed at me, and I could say the same that you said about me about quite some people here, usually always the same names, and that is the group of names that usually I no longer or only extremely rarely react to anymore, or even have on the ignore-list. This is also the reason why with other people, who also may disagree with me, I find it easy to communicate, for they do not start to follow this path, and so I don't either. In principle, it is very easy to get along with me, the rule is just one: the stronger you push me, the stronger I push back. That's all. To some degree it seems one has to be loud and modestly aggressive in this forum if not wanting to get plowed under while saying something unpopular or somebody not liking you. I do not like to follow that path until the ugly end when it gets locked however, and also do not follow it that far anymore than I maybe did many years ago were it sometimes went on endlessly, so I tend to step out at some stage and leave the remaining people to themselves, then. They then sometimes say I would "avoid discussion". Well, let that little victory be there's, then - my ego can afford that . __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert. Last edited by Skybird; 03-17-13 at 02:01 PM.

03-17-13, 02:05 PM	#5
Hottentot Sea Lord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: My private socialist utopia of Finland Posts: 1,918 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	The style certainly fits and usually the resemblance becomes closer the more pages the thread accumulates. __________________ Хотели как лучше, а получилось как всегда.

03-17-13, 02:19 PM	#6
Takeda Shingen Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2000 Posts: 8,643 Downloads: 19 Uploads: 0	I wonder how large a donation would be required for Neal to change it.