TSA Will Permit Knives, Golf Clubs on U.S. Planes

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

This is my knife...

I gues mine's right out then.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Betonov

5 terrorists with machetes would be unable to take control of an aircraft with a 100 passengers. People don't think: lets just sit this one out and they'll go away anymore

In the past aircraft in American were hijacked because somebody wanted to go to Cuba or the like. It was considered safer to just play along. Then people tried hijacking planes for ransom, demanding money. Again, it was better to let them do it. No one was harmed and it was a job for the authorities.

This took everybody by surprise. The passengers and crew almost certainly thought it was safest to just let the hijackers have their way, and no one would be hurt.

This was a new thing and it changed everything.

[Betonov]

Since were all showing off their knives

[Jimbuna]

Straight out of my cutlery drawer

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Since were all showing off their knives

Only the ones we carry around with us all the time. I've got a big one too, but it stays at home.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Only the ones we carry around with us all the time.

The blue Victorinox at the top

[August]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

In the past aircraft in American were hijacked because somebody wanted to go to Cuba or the like. It was considered safer to just play along. Then people tried hijacking planes for ransom, demanding money. Again, it was better to let them do it. No one was harmed and it was a job for the authorities.

This took everybody by surprise. The passengers and crew almost certainly thought it was safest to just let the hijackers have their way, and no one would be hurt.

This was a new thing and it changed everything.

Exactly. A game changer as they say. Passengers are a lot more likely to intervene if they see something start to go down.

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Since were all showing off their knives

I have one of those Gerber Machetes better as a tool than a weapon though one whack and it could get stuck.Now against one person it would work.

If you like Machetes a Kurki would be best as a weapon.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Dowly,

Well, there are two philosophies about this

1. Everything is prohibited unless permitted. Meaning that in order to do something, I need to justify it. This is the position you took in wording your question

2. Everything is permitted unless prohibited. Meaning that there needs to be justification for why something should not be done.

Which philosophy is correct? They both are, depending on the population and the circumstances.

In my opinion, philosophy 2 should apply to citizens. I should be able to do anything I want, unless there is a law/regulation prohibiting it. Citizens don't need to justify why they want to do something, the government must justify why the citizen should not be allowed to do it.

Philosophy 1 should apply to governments. The government should only be permitted to do stuff they are specifically authorized. If the government wants to do more, it has to justify why.

In your knife instance, I should be able to carry a knife, without justification. It is up to the government to specifically justify why I should not be allowed to carry a knife.

That's the difference. In your view, I need to justify why I should. In my view the government needs to justify why I can't.

Platapus is wise...

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

@RedOctober you cant even carry your knife to school anyway much less on an airplane.

If you must have a larger knife with you on your trip put it in your checked luggage once you leave the airport put it on your person but of course be aware of the laws in that area in some places it is illegal to carry a knife.In some states an auto open knife is illegal.Your looks like the kind that you flip open with your thumb though not truly a "switch blade".

The Smith and Wesson knife that I have there is spring assisted. Switchblades are illegal in Missouri and this is as close as you can legally get.

I carry it randomly around. I don't carry it to school but I have around town numerous times. Now there was a time when I forgot I had it in my coat pocket and I had it at school but it didn't leave that pocket all day.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Only the ones we carry around with us all the time. I've got a big one too, but it stays at home.

That was the one that I carry around. I've got tons of other knives...Hunting Knives, Pocketknives, and some homemade ones from a family member.

I don't have a machete....yet.....

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by Red October1984

The Smith and Wesson knife that I have there is spring assisted. Switchblades are illegal in Missouri and this is as close as you can legally get.

I carry it randomly around. I don't carry it to school but I have around town numerous times. Now there was a time when I forgot I had it in my coat pocket and I had it at school but it didn't leave that pocket all day.



That was the one that I carry around. I've got tons of other knives...Hunting Knives, Pocketknives, and some homemade ones from a family member.

I don't have a machete....yet.....

Spring assist flip open same difference in that you still manually open the blade with your thumb you just have a some form of spring to make it easier.

The automatics("switch blades") are the kind where you press a button and the blade extends on its own.Those are actually legal in Florida I am not a fan of them my self.

This is the kind of spring assist that some of my knives have.
I bet the TSA hates this kind. I almost always have this knife in clipped in my pocket.It is so thin i forget that it is even there once I walked into a bank with it still clipped in.No one noticed it though.

The spring in this type the pressure is on the blade wile it is closed and a tang moves when you push on the thumb grabs it self locks as well.But that is an expensive knife but worth it made in the USA from American steel and a life time warranty ship it to Washington and they will fix it up no charge.

Really though a fixed blade knife is the best to have especially for cleaning game.

This particular knife is designed with conceal carry in mind you could hide it easily if you wanted to.

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Spring assist flip open same difference in that you still manually open the blade with your thumb you just have a some form of spring to make it easier.

The automatics("switch blades") are the kind where you press a button and the blade extends on its own.Those are actually legal in Florida I am not a fan of them my self.

This is the kind of spring assist that some of my knives have.
I bet the TSA hates this kind. I almost always have this knife in clipped in my pocket.It is so thin i forget that it is even there once I walked into a bank with it still clipped in.No one noticed it though.

The spring in this type the pressure is on the blade wile it is closed and a tang moves when you push on the thumb grabs it self locks as well.But that is an expensive knife but worth it made in the USA from American steel and a life time warranty ship it to Washington and they will fix it up no charge.

Really though a fixed blade knife is the best to have especially for cleaning game.

This particular knife is designed with conceal carry in mind you could hide it easily if you wanted to.

I like that knife.

I once carried a bloody fixed blade hunting knife into a police station after I had been hunting.... I know most of the cops through my dad who works with them all the time. (Dad's a lawyer)

Luckily I had a long shirt on.... I also had all my camo on.... My dad was with me and I was okay.


I probably will never wear a hunting knife on my hip when I leave the woods now. I should just take it off my belt and leave it.

I'm sure the TSA or other governmental agency is watching this thread like a hawk. I'll just say this. There are safe, responsible people out there. There are also people who make mistakes and forget that they are wearing hunting knives on their hip. I am somewhere between those two but closer to responsible. I've only mistakenly carried a knife into an "off limits" place twice. This one and the time I accidently carried it to school. Now, I make sure I do not do stuff like that.

Sorry TSA, but i'm an American...while also human at the same time.


EDIT: On the other hand, I've never been on an airliner...and I probably won't for a long time. When I do get to travel on an airliner, I won't be carrying a knife. However, I support the right.

[Stealhead]

From what I understand what they do is simply take the knife or banned item from you if it was an honest mistake.

One of my brother in laws cousins was an air marshal for a while and he of course knew what people can and cannot have.He said that TSA just keeps the items unless you pay to have it mailed back to you.

Don't be so paranoid RedOctober next you are going to tell us about how the new digital kilowatt hour meters are used to control you by the government.I actually overheard people saying this in public once I was drinking a soda and it nearly came out of my nose.

I have flown my fair share of times pre and post 9/11 post 9/11 the routine is so in your face you are unlikely to forget that you had something.

If you want to be a pilot in the USAF you had better practice better memory you dont want to leave some vital part of your gear behind.I can see you walking along the flightline without a line badge and have a member of Security Forces give you the "Unauthorized personal interview"(conducted at the business end of a firearm).

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Don't be so paranoid RedOctober next you are going to tell us about how the new digital kilowatt hour meters are used to control you by the government.I actually overheard people saying this in public once I was drinking a soda and it nearly came out of my nose.

I'm not THAT paranoid. I'm just perceptive...wary...curious...etc. Stuff like that. I may seem like that on the internet because I don't know any of you. (Except for the user Slugger. I've spent pretty much my whole life with that guy. Looks like I need to tell him to post some more. )

I'd like to know how, if possible, you could use Kilowatt Hour Meters to control somebody. Not that I'd actually do it. That would be wrong. Technical things like how stuff works and how you can use stuff to your advantage interest me.... Maybe I would be a good Engineer or something. I'm keeping my options open in case something happens where I can't join the Air Force.

If you want to be a pilot in the USAF you had better practice better memory you dont want to leave some vital part of your gear behind.I can see you walking along the flightline without a line badge and have a member of Security Forces give you the "Unauthorized personal interview"(conducted at the business end of a firearm).

I've got good memory. Like I said, I've only forgotten about my knife twice since I started carrying it around. (Close to a year ago when I realized the value of having a knife with you. They can be useful tools to have) I'm sure they will drill good memory into me during whatever Officer School I pick whether it be the Academy or ROTC. I don't forget stuff I use every day. If I use it two or three times a week...there's a greater chance that i'll forget where I set something. The line badge would be something important and I'd probably be using it often if I was a pilot. The prospect of being interrogated by Security doesn't sound too great. I'm a quick learner... When I forgot about my knife those two times, I remembered it pretty quickly. If I was walking to the flight line, I'd check and see if I forgot something. If I did...well...I probably would have a " " moment and get what I forgot ASAP.

[ETR3(SS)]

I'd have to disagree with those of you stating that airline passengers would gang tackle a terrorist on a flight. The general American public has the courage of an ostrich. They don't want to get hurt or die. Ironically they'd probably only think of the short term (i.e. the knife) versus the long term (the plane crashing) in their self preservation thought process. If anyone did do anything I would see it being the 65 year old Vietnam vet instead of the 21 year old intern. We've been turned into a bunch of couch potato, bon bon eating, reality tv show watching pansies.