TSA Will Permit Knives, Golf Clubs on U.S. Planes

[Dowly]

I'm trying REAAALLY hard to find a reason why you would need to carry a knife when travelling on a plane.

There's this one quote that comes to mind, some of you might have heard it:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

[Red October1984]

Originally Posted by Feuer Frei!

And just for you people who don't like reading words:



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Yeah...I can't carry mine....

This is my knife...

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I'm trying REAAALLY hard to find a reason why you would need to carry a knife when travelling on a plane.

Makes two of us.

But I think it's more of a liberty issue and I'm on the ''liberty'' side.

Do I need a knife on a plane ?? No
Should I be allowed to bring my property somewhere I payed for to use ?? Yes, a knife is light and does not interfere with airplane workings

Should I just put the knife in the luggage and take it out after we landed ?? Best thing to do

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Betonov

But I think it's more of a liberty issue...

I can understand that.. but not why knifes should be allowed on planes.

Just asking for trouble if you ask me.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I'm trying REAAALLY hard to find a reason why you would need to carry a knife when travelling on a plane.

Perhaps the better question is why should it be prohibited to carry a small pocket utility knife while traveling

There's this one quote that comes to mind, some of you might have heard it:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"[/QUOTE]


Well since I am not an Terrorist, there is no history to repeat, other than my history of carrying small utility knives on airlines for decades and not hurting anyone.

I would like to reference my signature. Why infringe on what I can do because of what someone else once did?

I am pretty sure that statistically, many more people carry knives than have ever hijacked an airline.

[August]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I always smiled when I saw those handgun bayonets for sale.

A fix bayonets and charge! Poke poke poke

Surprisingly enough it's not a new concept.

[Stealhead]

@RedOctober you cant even carry your knife to school anyway much less on an airplane.

If you must have a larger knife with you on your trip put it in your checked luggage once you leave the airport put it on your person but of course be aware of the laws in that area in some places it is illegal to carry a knife.In some states an auto open knife is illegal.Your looks like the kind that you flip open with your thumb though not truly a "switch blade".

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by Dowly

I'm trying REAAALLY hard to find a reason why you would need to carry a knife when travelling on a plane.

There's this one quote that comes to mind, some of you might have heard it:
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

I carry a PK every where I go, have since I was 15. Heck, when I was in school we all carried buck knives in a belt case, had guns on our racks in the parking lot, etc.

[Dowly]

What I'm trying to say is, is it really a good idea to allow knifes on board after 9/11?

If anyone can bring a knife of sorts onto a plane, that also includes possibly terrorists,
and not just terrorists, but people who might be unstable. Why take that risk factor?

Few have mentioned the brave action onboard United 93, but really, if a terrorist
or terrorists, want to kill Americans, they can just take a few knives, get their
way to the cockpit and either fly to a target or crash if the passengers try to something.

I know cockpits are locked, but can the crew handle it, if the hijackers start
killing people, unless they can get access to the cockpit? Maybe, maybe not.

Any way I watch at the decision, I see the *possibility* that something goes wrong and an unnecessary risk.

I'm just trying to understand what is the point of allowing knifes onto planes, that's all. Because I cant come up with any reason.

[Jimbuna]

Call that a knife, this is a knife...

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Call that a knife, this is a knife...

I'll see yer knife with a:

[August]

Originally Posted by Dowly

What I'm trying to say is, is it really a good idea to allow knifes on board after 9/11?

If anyone can bring a knife of sorts onto a plane, that also includes possibly terrorists,
and not just terrorists, but people who might be unstable. Why take that risk factor?

Few have mentioned the brave action onboard United 93, but really, if a terrorist
or terrorists, want to kill Americans, they can just take a few knives, get their
way to the cockpit and either fly to a target or crash if the passengers try to something.

I know cockpits are locked, but can the crew handle it, if the hijackers start
killing people, unless they can get access to the cockpit? Maybe, maybe not.

Any way I watch at the decision, I see the *possibility* that something goes wrong and an unnecessary risk.

I'm just trying to understand what is the point of allowing knifes onto planes, that's all. Because I cant come up with any reason.

Because they confiscate dozens of jack knifes every day for no good reason. Nobody will be able to take control of an aircraft with a box cutter let alone a Swiss army knife ever again. The 911 hijackers only got away with it because people thought it was a hostage situation.

United 93 crashed because passengers realized what was in store for them but only after the terrorists had already taken control of the plane. Were that to happen again today they would never make it to the cockpit door without being gang tackled by a hundred scared and pissed off passengers.

[Platapus]

Dowly,

Well, there are two philosophies about this

1. Everything is prohibited unless permitted. Meaning that in order to do something, I need to justify it. This is the position you took in wording your question

2. Everything is permitted unless prohibited. Meaning that there needs to be justification for why something should not be done.

Which philosophy is correct? They both are, depending on the population and the circumstances.

In my opinion, philosophy 2 should apply to citizens. I should be able to do anything I want, unless there is a law/regulation prohibiting it. Citizens don't need to justify why they want to do something, the government must justify why the citizen should not be allowed to do it.

Philosophy 1 should apply to governments. The government should only be permitted to do stuff they are specifically authorized. If the government wants to do more, it has to justify why.

In your knife instance, I should be able to carry a knife, without justification. It is up to the government to specifically justify why I should not be allowed to carry a knife.

That's the difference. In your view, I need to justify why I should. In my view the government needs to justify why I can't.

[em2nought]

Uh oh, probably airlines cutting back on supplying eating utensils. You might want to bring your fork along also.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by August

United 93 crashed because passengers realized what was in store for them but only after the terrorists had already taken control of the plane. Were that to happen again today they would never make it to the cockpit door without being gang tackled by a hundred scared and pissed off passengers.

5 terrorists with machetes would be unable to take control of an aircraft with a 100 passengers. People don't think: lets just sit this one out and they'll go away anymore